Amen Sin III

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2011-09-20 21:23:52

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2011-10-17 02:00:00

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puke7
Lvl 28  
17148
Level 22 Playa
xterm
 
 
 
post #17148 :: 2011.09.20 10:46pm
sweet!!! I was just thinking we needed another one of these :)
 
 
17149
Level 25 Mixist
gyms
 
 
 
post #17149 :: 2011.09.21 3:55am
haha!! is fourier-ing allowied?
 
 
17151
Level 30 Mixist
Baron Knoxburry
 
 
 
post #17151 :: 2011.09.21 8:03am
is this that?!!?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourier_transform

I don't get it. :(
 
 
17152
Level 31 chipist
Chip Champion
 
 
 
post #17152 :: 2011.09.21 8:17am
  
  Soiled Bargains liēkd this
you big silly! summer shits hasnt even sluted yet and you want another biggun D:
 
 
17154
Level 28 Hostist
puke7
 
 
 
post #17154 :: 2011.09.21 8:40am
keep 'em trackin!!!
 
 
17157
Level 27 Mixist
ui
 
 
 
post #17157 :: 2011.09.21 8:48am
classic!!!
 
 
17163
Level 25 Mixist
gyms
 
 
 
post #17163 :: 2011.09.21 10:55am :: edit 2011.09.21 11:05am
B-Knox: http://www.kettering.edu/physics/drussell/Demos/Fourier/Fourier.html

The phenomenon of pretty much any waveform being able to be broken down into a series of sine waves and vice versa.

Are we allowed to synthesize our own waveforms using the sine sample or is it expected to have purely sine-tastic tracks?
 
 
17164
Level 22 Playa
xterm
 
 
 
post #17164 :: 2011.09.21 11:25am
i would say as long as you create the fourier spectrum of your sound manually, it's ok. you obviously shouldn't be allowed to work from another source to get the target spectrum (because then that's "using" the other sample).
 
 
17165
Level 25 Mixist
gyms
 
 
 
post #17165 :: 2011.09.21 12:22pm :: edit 2011.09.21 12:28pm
  
  anewuser liēkd this
Ok, so creating your own waveforms from this sine and then saving/using those as samples is not allowed?

Also, there's a ton of things you can do with a sine wave, like going FM crazy. Just wanna clarify some things so I don't get yelled at if I turn in something that sounds like a shitty DX7, haha.

edit: Ok, the better question to ask: Is the focus on making sine music or on how crafty you can be with sine waves as a source?
 
 
17166
Level 31 Chipist
Strobe
 
 
 
post #17166 :: 2011.09.21 12:32pm
  
  anewuser liēkd this
I would say, go crazy, but be prepared to show how you did it as proof if people start asking =)
 
 
17167
Level 30 Mixist
Baron Knoxburry
 
 
 
post #17167 :: 2011.09.21 12:54pm
  
  anewuser liēkd this
^^ What she said! =]
 
 
17168
Level 22 Playa
xterm
 
 
 
post #17168 :: 2011.09.21 1:19pm
i believe the focus is
> how crafty you can be with sine waves as a source

of course, if your craft is to just make sine music.... ;)
 
 
17169
Level 28 Chipist
null1024
 
 
 
post #17169 :: 2011.09.21 2:19pm :: edit 2011.09.21 4:42pm
It's pretty easy to do manipulation with a sine source -- change the sample's sign, and you now have a rich wave [like a squarewave with sine curves instead of straight lines in the middle of the pulses] to do detuning effects and whatnot. Assuming this is legal of course... :P

EDIT: also the blatantly obvious ability to clip the samples :3
 
 
17173
Level 30 Mixist
mootbooxle
 
 
 
post #17173 :: 2011.09.21 3:37pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
*evil laugh*
*similarly sinister grin*
 
 
17260
Level 31 Chipist
Strobe
 
 
 
post #17260 :: 2011.09.24 4:30am
Pack Download seems to be broken at the moment,
get pack from http://lmao.rotfl.at/upload/Strobe/AmenSinIIIbitpack.zip

*Alerts puke7*
 
 
17261
Level 28 Hostist
puke7
 
 
 
post #17261 :: 2011.09.24 9:59am
*fixed*

it was working at some point, right?
 
 
17262
Level 31 Chipist
Strobe
 
 
 
post #17262 :: 2011.09.24 10:12am
Yes it was :o
 
 
17263
Level 12 Chipist
saskrotch
 
 
post #17263 :: 2011.09.24 2:32pm
oh right! :gets back to work:
 
 
17267
Level 0 n00b
Satsuma
 
 
post #17267 :: 2011.09.25 5:56am
So....could you use an additive synthesizer which uses sine waves to build up a sound or would you have to do it manually using the sine sample provided?
 
 
17268
Level 30 Mixist
mootbooxle
 
 
 
post #17268 :: 2011.09.25 6:55am
Hey Satsuma, I think the deal is that you can mangle the provided sine sample in any way, shape, or form, but you can't just use any sine wave source just cause it's a sine.
I would think you would need a way to prove you used that sine as your original sound source, regardless of what you did with it.
That is just my understanding - don't take that for the gospel truth.
Only reason I am saying this is cause I had been asking the same questions... :)
 
 
17269
Level 31 Chipist
Strobe
 
 
 
post #17269 :: 2011.09.25 9:38am
  
  anewuser liēkd this
I must say that any sine wave is a sine wave, but this question is good, and I don't have a proper answer! =O
Only puke7 knows the real rules, so speak up!
 
 
17270
Level 25 Mixist
gyms
 
 
 
post #17270 :: 2011.09.25 12:17pm :: edit 2011.09.25 12:51pm
  
  Baron Knoxburry and mootbooxle liēkd this
satsuma, I'm no rulemaker or anything, but I'd vote on "you need to use the sine sample provided." If you understand additive synthesis with using a sine as the source, there should be nothing holding you back to reproduce this manually via samplers. I'm using this method as well for some of my sounds and there is definitely a charming quality to the slight imperfections in my squares and saws produced manually through use of the overtone series. Even more of a charm when you start adding them; you would definitely hear a difference between building them yourself and what would be built perfectly by an additive synth like the one you describe. Not even mentioning the great saw you'd get by setting the loop point at quarter cycle or getting a square-like one from crushing the waveform with different types of distortion...could take it even further by playing with phase relationships, detuning, etc. (like null1024 said!)

Even if there were samplers that provided an overtone/additive feature, it would still sound quite different since you have to manually set loop points. I've never heard of a sampler that provided this function, but kudos if you make your own Max/MSP patch or get jiggy with python or something.

For these reasons, I feel, a sine isn't a sine isn't a sine and it's the beauty of this compo: breaking down sampling and synthesis to its core and seeing what people do with it.
 
 
17271
Level 30 Mixist
mootbooxle
 
 
 
post #17271 :: 2011.09.25 1:19pm
Oh man. Well said gyms. All the things that were kinda floating around in my head not knowing what to do with themselves are coming into focus.

That's also what I like about this compo- there is no sound more "pure" and basic than a sine wave - this is the basic idea of FM synthesis - that virtually any sound can be created by manipulating sine waves with other sine waves.

Additive synthesis takes a more "natural" approach - the idea that any tone quality or timbre is just a result of overtones (partials) being present or absent to varying degrees, and attempting to recreate those timbres mathematically with...sine waves.
It's pretty thought-provoking stuff.

You could build a house with bricks and mortar, or you could combine the atoms necessary to create bricks and mortar and then build a house. Don't get all scientific on me...I'm speaking philosophically here! :P
 
 
17272
Level 31 chipist
Chip Champion
 
 
 
post #17272 :: 2011.09.25 1:51pm
  
  Baron Knoxburry liēkd this
*source audio from the bitpack only
 
 
17274
Level 8 Mixist
Stelpa
 
 
post #17274 :: 2011.09.25 7:10pm
I finished my submission! For once! Yay!

But nobody is gonna like it... Oh wellz, at least I actually made something :P
 
 
17275
Level 30 Mixist
mootbooxle
 
 
 
post #17275 :: 2011.09.25 8:43pm
Why do you say that Stelpa? I might love it!
 
 
17277
Level 8 Mixist
Stelpa
 
 
post #17277 :: 2011.09.26 5:19am :: edit 2011.09.26 1:24pm
mootbooxle, if you wanna hear, it is already submitted :P

Here is my submission: http://goo.gl/gfSDE

It's a bit loud, you may want to turn down your speakers a bit before playing :)
 
 
17282
Level 12 Chipist
saskrotch
 
 
post #17282 :: 2011.09.26 8:18pm
at first i was all proud of not writing an amen stomper, but then it turned into an amen stomper. oh well, stick with what you know i guess.
 
 
17305
Level 0 n00b
Dias
 
 
post #17305 :: 2011.10.02 4:16pm
Interesting this is.
 
 
17316
Level 27 chipist
zanzan
 
 
 
post #17316 :: 2011.10.04 11:39am
  
  anewuser liēkd this
i think this is the first time i've ever played with ze amen loop. i'm sheltered!
 
 
17335
Level 30 Mixist
mootbooxle
 
 
 
post #17335 :: 2011.10.06 1:04pm
Well, I've decided, reluctantly, that I must bow out of this compo. I had something 75% together, and I think it would have been really good, but due to recent events in my life, I have not been able to devote the time necessary to complete it. It sucks...but that's life. I'll bring some fierce competition to the next Amen Sin, just wait and see. The process of preparing for this one taught me a LOT of things. Good luck to you all.
 
 
17336
Level 9 Pixelist
Kattywampus
 
 
post #17336 :: 2011.10.06 1:11pm
Dem categories....
 
 
17384
Level 14 Mixist
AccentalPulse
 
 
post #17384 :: 2011.10.12 9:38pm
  
  xterm and anewuser liēkd this
20 botbers and 9 votes max!?!?! get on it!= Points!!!!!!
 
 
17421
Level 30 Mixist
Baron Knoxburry
 
 
 
post #17421 :: 2011.10.17 5:01pm
RESLUTS WHAT!!
 
 
17422
Level 28 Chipist
null1024
 
 
 
post #17422 :: 2011.10.17 5:59pm
Yay, sluts.

And considering what I put, I am completely happy with 10th :P
 
 
17423
Level 31 Chipist
Strobe
 
 
 
post #17423 :: 2011.10.17 10:58pm
  
  AccentalPulse and gyms liēkd this
Conflabarations to Gyms! =D
 
 

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