"What happened to all the conversation?"
Well the thread was
locked previously, but I guess it's open now.
"wildchip..... was the "fakebit" format.. at least until now"
That's not true; it was often times also used for "chip format otherwise not allowed in the compo" and "hardware playable chip + something else", in addition to the "chip not accurate to any hardware whatsoever."
"you can still add samples and post processing, because noone cares as long as it has the "chippy sound". okay easy. dont submit real instruments only to this format or you die. its simple."
This sounds like a contradiction. What about samples of instruments? What about using pcm/dpcm/adpcm channels for post processing fx like reverb?
" Just look at the sheer amount of past (high placing) wildchip entries that are just plain NSF+"
One important thing to note here is that for those using wildchip as an extra slot for a 2nd nsf+, the song submitted to the nsf+ category only has to go up other nsf+ entries while the song submitted to wildchip can have much beefier competition. This was an understood risk of doing that strat (I like to call this the WildCARD
"If wildchip requires a legit chip now, then the source file (e.g. an .nsf for a 2a03 composition) ought to be submitted somewhere as part of the process, else there's no proof."
I think this is the HUGE dichotomy we have on our hands. One route is to go by What The Entry Actually Used, in which case, proof of source is required to validate an entry. Which many botbrs will hate. The other route is to go by What The Entry Sounds Like which means it's up to a consensus of the ever changing votes based on 1) Who's even voting 2) What their knowledge of chips' limitations are 3) personal interpretation of the above and of anything else. Which many botbrs will hate.
YQN's definitions were very concise and eliminated confusion
" allgear: all gear.
wildchip (chiptune wildcard): all chip formats + mp3 for legit chiptune (several chips at once, generative music on hardware etc.)
fakebit: sounds like chiptune, but isn't. "
Zillah's definitions feel very ambiguous and even outright wrong
"Wildchip (as of now)= Can be any format but has to sound like a chiptune.
Fakebit = Doesn't have to be all chiptune, but as long as there's some chip it's fine (which I think is what wildchip used to be). "
That wildchip definition completely omits the requirement for it to contain real chip, and therefore makes it fakebit.
That fakebit definition does have the requirement of a real chip, and therefore makes it not fakebit.
That Puke agreed with Zillah's defintion and not YQN's and that that was the last Authoritative Word on the matter, makes this a shitshow again.
The only thing I can offer is that we have a selection of songs already submitted to the site and we all collectively vote and agree which category they go to. Or even just identify all the scenarios that exist and then categorize them
1) Real chip playable on hardware submitted to it's own category
2) Real chip playable on hardware submitted to a wildCARD
3) Real chip playable on hardware playing along with other real chips that would otherwise not have a way of being played together
4) Real chip playable on hardware with non-hardware accurate effects added (stereo, reverb, etc.)
5) Real chip playable on hardware playing along a chip-sounding instrument that is not a real chip.
6) Real chip playable on hardware playing along other non-chip instruments
7) A chip sounding instrument that is not a real chip.
8) A chip sounding instrument that is not a real chip playing along with other non-chip instruments
9) Non-chip instruments only.
Sadly, I don't think we'll ever run out of "well this is new and there's no precedent, so where would it fit?" entries.