we need moar mappist formats (???)
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Level 30 Chipist
post #112337 :: 2019.07.03 5:22pm
  azurglade, TrippleP, Quirby64, argarak, GudPiggeh, funute and Sinc-X liēkd this
hello everyone!
doom is great and stuff, but mappist formats are very underrated on botb, even though a lot of cool old games can be modified and customized! (old games mostly, because we're following the 'bits'-aspect of botb, are we? ;D)

basically, i got the idea to open a thread for this, because of all the mario maker 2 gameplay i've watched in the past days and for me, "Mappist" formats (aka Doom/Boom) are nothing else than level design formats.

might be a good idea to collect some ideas and see how many people want a specific format c:

my idea is to add Super Mario World as a format, which could feature single level designs for ohbs and complete hacks for majors. lunarmagic is completely free and the allowed file format would be the ips-patch instead of a complete rom-file.

any more ideas for mappist formats?!
Level 25 Chipist
post #112338 :: 2019.07.03 5:31pm :: edit 2019.07.03 5:33pm
  V5A, Floofbus, Xaser, doctor and kleeder liēkd this
knytt stories/knytt stories+, knytt.bin file format
Level 24 Chipist
post #112339 :: 2019.07.03 5:42pm
  kleeder liēkd this
isnt mega maker a thing?
duck game maps? I love that game
terraria worlds lmao I second my previous statement

honestly you bring up a great point though. I love building things in games but im really not an fps person so trying to work with doom wasn't the most interesting with me. I personally love racing games to edit around but im sure that wouldn't be too fun.

now that I think about it, terraria/Minecraft(?) might make sense. I dont play Minecraft but I think you can share worlds just like terraria so...

yeah, that's my take. hope I could be of service!
Level 20 Criticist
post #112340 :: 2019.07.03 6:55pm
  Tilde, Pale Dim, Lia, MiDoRi, argarak, Slimeball, Grumskiz and kleeder liēkd this
anything that doesn't explicitly require a purchase to make maps on.
Level 25 Chipist
post #112341 :: 2019.07.03 7:56pm
  Sinc-X and kleeder liēkd this
Any love for Quake? :O

SMW would be a fun one too! I think a good criteria to look at here is how big/active the mod/map communities are for any of the games here.
Level 25 Chipist
post #112342 :: 2019.07.03 10:28pm :: edit 2019.07.03 10:51pm
  ElliottB1, MiDoRi, Quirby64, wvl, YQN, kleeder and Oli liēkd this
This is a good thread. Now's my chance to suggest something I've always wanted to see as a mappist format:

TrackMania Nations Forever!

This is a free-to-play racing game that features a custom track builder. Tracks are stored as .gbx files, which shall be the file format required. Any custom track you build is saved to a folder named "TrackMania" which is located in your documents directory. All your user data for the game is stored in there. For custom tracks, they are specifically stored in TrackMania\Tracks\Challenges\My Challenges.

You can put any custom track you download and save it to TrackMania\Tracks\Challenges and it'll be ready to play in solo mode.

I played the shit out of TrackMania growing up, and it would really cool to see it get some love here! It's free to download on Steam, and you can get started with track building right away. Hopefully there's other BotBrs who are familiar with this game as well.

Voting category ideas, based on track building concepts:
Flow - How natural it feels to progress through the track, and how easy it is to navigate. You want your track to maintain its flow so that a first-time driver can predict what is coming ahead.
Stunts - Crazy air jumps, wall rides, loop-de-loops, or anything else you can come up with.
Speed - How fast it feels like you're driving throughout the track, which adds challenge.
Scenery - How appealing the track is to drive through. There's all kinds of pieces the game offers to help make the track feel vibrant and alive. Good scenery feels natural and helps build atmosphere.
Mania in Pants - Obligatory "in pants" category.

TrackMania logo, which could be used for the badge:
Level 26 Mixist
post #112343 :: 2019.07.03 10:30pm
  ElliottB1, amelia, pedipanol, xracecar, Quirby64, Sinc-X, raphaelgoulart, MKSTAR26 and kleeder liēkd this
rhythm game charting could be cool too! it'd be super cool to potentially play botb tracks in stepmania or maybe even clone hero
Level 7 Playa
post #112344 :: 2019.07.03 11:35pm :: edit 2019.07.04 12:37am
  YQN, Galgox, Quirby64 and wvl liēkd this
I'd be totally up to play BotBrs' custom made tracks for TrackMania, so I also wanted to add my voice for it

More about the game can be found on it's official site here:

And it's download link from the same site, here:
Level 10 Mixist
post #112348 :: 2019.07.04 4:16am :: edit 2019.07.04 4:17am
  ElliottB1, YQN, Galgox and Oli liēkd this
TrackMania was literally the first thing that came to mind when i saw this topic on the homepage! A TMUnlimiter format would be really cool, you can do some really creative and detailed things with it that go beyond the base game's editor.
Level 7 Playa
post #112351 :: 2019.07.04 5:46am :: edit 2019.07.04 5:59am
  ElliottB1, Galgox and wvl liēkd this
To expand on wvl post, TMUnlimiter is a unofficial custom track builder patch for the TrackMania Forever series, that enables more customization over their vanilla editor, including creating bigger maps, using custom 3D models on blocks for your tracks (Comes with a plugin for Blender), along custom rotation y placement for them, custom music for your track and other features!

More about TMUnlimiter can be found on it's official announcement thread, in this link:
Level 22 Chipist
post #112354 :: 2019.07.04 6:45am
  Yung Gotenks, tennisers, Sinc-X and kleeder liēkd this
Level 26 Chipist
post #112355 :: 2019.07.04 6:46am :: edit 2019.07.04 1:26pm
  Yung Gotenks, Sinc-X and charlotte liēkd this
having charted a few botb songs for rock band 3, i totally second @petet's suggestion

edit: also, i think the formats should refer for the type of game (eg have a racing format, and the accepted file formats are the formats for accepted games, have a rhythm game format, and have the accepted format be simfile, chart/mid etc), this way we wont have a fuckton of new formats and most of them will still be acessible since most games are light and free

edit 2: i also second SMW/SMB
Level 27 Chipist
post #112356 :: 2019.07.04 7:27am
  Razerek, Savestate, BubblegumOctopus and Sinc-X liēkd this
stepmania PLEASE
Level 27 Chipist
post #112357 :: 2019.07.04 8:58am
  Xyz liēkd this
I've known Stepmania for a very long time myself, actually, going back to the G3 days (2005-2006 is a good estimate). However, if I even remotely test it, I would do only Stepmania 5 and earlier (with me not having actually used Stepmania in quite a while), since the system requirements gives me a version incompatibility with 6 and later.

Also, anything that requires pre-existing music to put beats to (which includes Stepmania)... I'd recommend just using the Battle of the Bits music collection.

On that note... Battle of the Bits announcer pack, anyone?
Level 27 Chipist
post #112361 :: 2019.07.04 11:35am :: edit 2019.07.04 11:36am
  KungFuFurby and tonreihe liēkd this
yeah i think itd b important to make sure the stepmanias use botb entries... both from a "public domain" and from a "thatd b fuckin cool i hope i get one" standpoint

(cld use the "covers" aspect of the site which we havent reused yet...)
Level 24 Chipist
post #112362 :: 2019.07.04 12:10pm
  amelia, funute, Galgox, Oli and kleeder liēkd this
oh god i forgot about trackmania! hell yeahhhh
also uhhh osu? maybe
Level 20 Criticist
post #112363 :: 2019.07.04 12:35pm :: edit 2019.07.04 1:03pm
  charlotte liēkd this
Stepmania official playstyle categories:
3 fingered

Everyone else is cheating
I'm curious now https://www.strawpoll.me/18271471
Level 27 Chipist
post #112373 :: 2019.07.04 3:45pm
split is two keys either side of the keyboard, right? im using that one cuz its the default for etterna... i got fond memories of 3 fingered one handed play tho hehe
Level 23 Chipist
post #112379 :: 2019.07.04 6:01pm
  ElliottB1 liēkd this
Full support for step-charts idea!! I've been working with them for a thing lately and it's fun as heck. It could also potentially open up the site to new users who wouldn't have gravitated here previously. I know some non-musicians and non-electronic musicians who make them who would love the music here for sure
Level 15 Chipist
post #112400 :: 2019.07.04 9:17pm
  raphaelgoulart liēkd this
clon/phase shift charts/maps would be killer on botb honestly. i've made a few so yeet
Level 26 Mixist
post #112403 :: 2019.07.05 12:56am
  ElliottB1 liēkd this
|д゚)… BMS?
Level 23 Chipist
post #112409 :: 2019.07.05 1:35am :: edit 2019.07.05 1:35am
  kleeder liēkd this
i support SMW as a mappist format. Especially as a SMW music porter. it would be dope.
Level 28 Chipist
post #112428 :: 2019.07.05 8:29pm
  RazerBlue6 and kleeder liēkd this
smw game jam
Level 23 Mixist
post #112464 :: 2019.07.07 6:56am
  ElliottB1, Cryptovolans, Lia, TrippleP, petet, raphaelgoulart, ASIKWUSpulse, Oli, Galgox, MiDoRi, Quirby64, wvl and RazerBlue6 liēkd this
line rider
Level 22 Pixelist
post #112466 :: 2019.07.07 10:15am
  raphaelgoulart liēkd this
OOMG lovely idea ^
Level 16 Chipist
post #112548 :: 2019.07.09 2:04pm
  Lia and raphaelgoulart liēkd this
Oh Line Rider..... brings back memories :)
Level 28 Hostist
post #112599 :: 2019.07.11 3:35pm
  xterm liēkd this
I don't know much (or anything) about most games suggested here.
As a guideline: the entries must be stored on BotB.
So the megaman mega maker won't work because they host all the levels on their server by an id number (unless its changed since it was released). I have no idea how easy it is to swap minecraft maps (or their filesize for that matter).
Basically, I am open to this but will have to vet each suggestion individually which could quickly get more bothersome than I want to deal with. :shrug:
Level 30 Chipist
post #112603 :: 2019.07.11 5:05pm :: edit 2019.07.13 5:26am
  ElliottB1, Quirby64, KungFuFurby, argarak, Galgox and Sinc-X liēkd this
okay let me try to sum up the most important stuff for the 5 most wanted formats:

LunarMagic / Super Mario World
file types - .bps .ips


Using Lunar Magic to create custom rom hacks of Super Mario World. Lunar Magic is completely free and able to load the Super Mario World Rom File. Getting the SMW Rom itself is fairly easy... searching for "smwOrig.smc" on Google gives a lot of results.
Since uploading the Rom itself might not be completely legal, it is recommended to use the tool FLIPS
to create a patch file (.bps) and upload that. (patches are legal)
(Older patch-files uses .ips extension)
Everyone else can then use this patch file with the smw-rom to create the working and customized rom, which can be played on a snes-emulator like ZSNES or Snes9x or on real hardware if you have... things to make it work lol.

TrackMania Nations Forever
file types - .gbx

Galgox shared a lot of information about this here!
I'll copypaste the most relevant information:

This is a free-to-play racing game that features a custom track builder. Tracks are stored as .gbx files, which shall be the file format required. Any custom track you build is saved to a folder named "TrackMania" which is located in your documents directory. All your user data for the game is stored in there. For custom tracks, they are specifically stored in TrackMania\Tracks\Challenges\My Challenges.

You can put any custom track you download and save it to TrackMania\Tracks\Challenges and it'll be ready to play in solo mode.

Official Site!

It can be downloaded on Steam
or here
You need to create an account to play it though (or is there another way to get it working?)

file types - .zip

is a rythm game, where you can create "maps" for a music track. It's basically a rythm game, where you have to press buttons along with the music or beat to get a good score. As already mentioned by other users, the submissions should be limited to BotB entries only. The game itself is also completely free. I wasnt able to get it working correctly though, so if any of the information here is invalid, feel free to correct me :x
But from what i understand, you need to create a folder for your song (which will be submitted later as zip) and put the mp3 in it together with .pngs of wallpapers that will be used in the game while you're playing the map and a .sm-textfile, which contains the actual map-information. Setting up the file is explained here
, though it didnt work for me, maybe i did something wrong *shrug*
After you set up a raw-file, you have to open the game and select the blank song. You can now create your own level for it.
Would be good to not put the mp3 into the zip for the final submit, since its already on BotB.

Line Rider
file types - .json

Line Rider is a website for creating "movies" of a little person on a sleigh, which is riding over lines synced to a music track. The creation of those maps is done completely on the website
. Choose an mp3-file from your computer and start drawing lines. You're able to save your course into a json file, which can be loaded by the website. The mp3 isnt saved obviously, so for OHBs it would be required to set one specific botb entry to use or to link the entry in the description, if you're uploading it to a major.
Since you cant really "play" the map by yourself after its finished but only watch it like a movie, i dont know if its really fitting for a Mappist format though... maybe its more of a Grafxicist format? hmmmmm

file types - .zip


As Flaminglog said here, it's the open-source and free alternative of Minecraft. I tested it and it works good! Worlds are stored in different folders in the subdir /worlds. Submitting this world folder as a .zip would be required. The file size for a new created world is around ~2MB zipped, could be more if you create a lot of stuff, idk. But 10mb should be enough i guess.. same goes for every other suggested format!
Level 28 Chipist
post #112604 :: 2019.07.11 5:17pm
  kleeder liēkd this
BPS is the recommended format for snes patches now - use FLIPS
Level 30 Chipist
post #112605 :: 2019.07.11 5:19pm :: edit 2019.07.11 5:23pm
  Sinc-X liēkd this
Oh, okay good to know! i will edit my comment!
Level 24 Chipist
post #112635 :: 2019.07.12 6:08pm :: edit 2019.07.12 6:11pm
  charlotte, argarak, kleeder and petet liēkd this
minecraft build format

i am not joking and there is a free open-source alternative:

Level 30 Chipist
post #112644 :: 2019.07.13 2:41am
  Flaminglog liēkd this
Awesome! I added it to my comment!
Level 26 Chipist
post #112645 :: 2019.07.13 6:13am :: edit 2019.07.13 6:44am
  charlotte, Flaminglog and pedipanol liēkd this
since a few people named clone hero / phase shift (not many but still a few), i'll try to explain in a bit more detail what they are (most already know clone hero probably, but phase shift is underrated) and why they're viable imo

(quick edit: i'm not against those games being thrown in the same format/category as stepmania, i just want them available on botb)

Clone Hero

Free, cross-platform Guitar Hero clone for PC; only supports guitar, but has Gamepad Mode for oldschool dualshock players or keyboard players who don't want to strum.

charts can be created with Moonscraper
, Editor on Fire
or REAPER (with RBN Tools); all of these tools are free
the distributed file would be a .zip file containing a notes.chart/notes.mid file (format depends on the tool used, both are supported), song.ini and song.mp3 file (optional maybe since it can be gotten on BotB)

Phase Shift

Free Guitar Hero / Rock Band clone, supports more instrument than Clone Hero does (Drums, Pro Keys, Pro Guitar for instance). Also support MIDI controllers so if you want to play Drums with an electronic drumkit, or keys with a midi keyboard, you can.

charts can be created with Editor on Fire and Reaper (with RBN tools), and distributed in a similar way to clone hero charts (except .chart files aren't supported).

you can play phase shift customs on clone hero (if they have guitar, bass or keys track), but clone hero customs won't always work on phase shift (they probably will if it uses a .mid file instead of a .chart file; plus you can convert .chart to .mid using EoF).
however, since those games are mostly alike (and cross-compatible to an extent), i don't think they should be different formats, but a single one (if they were to become a format at all).
Level 25 Mixist
post #112841 :: 2019.07.23 1:23pm
  Tilde, tfx and Lia liēkd this
Chip's Challenge is a good candidate. It's fun and easy to make levels for, it's gotta a freeware clone (Tile World) that can load custom levels, you can upload the level files directly here, and the name of the game is extremely fitting. :P

Poor Chipchamp might have to come up with a new name for his winterchip gauntlet though. :P
Level 30 Chipist
post #115416 :: 2019.11.07 6:00pm
  pandavova liēkd this
found this lyceum article about something that might work as a mappist format. i dont really know why there's an article about it in the first place but since its already there, uhhhhh
Level 19 Chipist
post #115424 :: 2019.11.08 7:16am
  big lumby liēkd this
It's very easy to make maps for Duke Nukem 3D (.map).
Level 22 Chipist
post #115428 :: 2019.11.08 11:47am
Dude wtf i never expected Super Mario War here
I loved that game on the Wii
Level 27 Renderist
post #115429 :: 2019.11.08 1:30pm :: edit 2019.11.08 1:30pm
dink smallwood -- it's freeware and cross-platform
Level 30 Chipist
post #117020 :: 2020.01.16 7:38am
bump, because i really wanna see new mappist formats. especially lunarmagic/super mario world and minecraft/minetest. detailed information in my previous comment here
Level 23 Chipist
post #117025 :: 2020.01.16 9:13am
...I never even considered a Mario Maker format with the entry being your level code, that could be amazing
Level 30 Chipist
post #117026 :: 2020.01.16 9:36am
  raphaelgoulart and Tilde liēkd this
the problem with mario maker would be, that people need to pay for the game in order to play the levels. you can, on the other hand, get a smw rom easily on the internet
Level 15 Chipist
post #117033 :: 2020.01.16 12:45pm :: edit 2020.01.16 12:47pm
Heightmaps for like OpenTTD and stuff would be cool.
.vxl maps maybe.
Level 13 Grafxicist
post #117088 :: 2020.01.19 4:37am
What if
Level 12 Criticist
post #117110 :: 2020.01.20 11:52am
BUILD engine stuff, Duke3D in particular plz
Level 30 Chipist
post #117111 :: 2020.01.20 12:05pm
  Lincent liēkd this
i approve all the new ideas in here, but would like to point out what puke7 already said. it would be good to provide further information about the format and game, since it would be too much work to search for all the required information for every suggestion made.
also more information about how the save files are stored and if its possible and legal to share them here on botb!
Level 15 Chipist
post #117181 :: 2020.01.23 1:55pm :: edit 2020.01.23 2:12pm
  kleeder liēkd this
Of course, .vxl maps are used in Voxlap engine games like Ace of Spades!; now hosted on BuildandShoot, they basically consist of Blocks of any color in a 512x512x64 map. There are many editors for .vxl maps but the original Voxed editor is pretty decent; it's saved and stored as a .vxl. Also there is a tool that can convert a heightmap and a colormap into a .vxl map, ask me if you need it. Here is a preview of what to expect from .vxl maps: https://twitter.com/dot_vxl
Here is the Voxlap page http://advsys.net/ken/voxlap.htm
Regarding legality I don't know, you might have to email kens@advsys.net
Level 14 Chipist
post #119668 :: 2020.04.24 12:46pm
  Lincent and charlotte liēkd this
I second the osu maps and also clone hero
Level 27 Chipist
post #119677 :: 2020.04.24 5:27pm :: edit 2020.04.24 5:28pm
  ElliottB1 and big lumby liēkd this
rhythm games are a funny bunch bc a lot of ppl havent played em before, or are kinda good, but theres also people in the chip scene that are ranked TOP 30 GLOBALLY at stepmania (like aquellex), i'd very much like to see a major for these

(if they were limited to using only songs currently on botb, it wld also be an EXCELLENT new use for the 'cover' feature)
Level 16 Chipist
post #121833 :: 2020.05.31 3:43am :: edit 2020.05.31 4:03am
  maJsty14 liēkd this
personally i'd like to see people utilize rock and roll

it's a comprehensive editor for making mega man levels that i've personally had a lot of ease of use with in the past

the only exception is that you'll also need a mega man (u) or rockman (j) rom to get it up and running but even so it's well worth it since you can actually upload the patch file with the level in it for ohbs as well as submit full patches for majors and not deal with mega man maker's id nonsense

that and megaman levels have less variables than smw so it's extra intuitive and easier for n00bz to get into than lunar magic
Level 9 Mixist
post #121836 :: 2020.05.31 7:37am
I'm not sure if there's an easy way to share the Mega Maker maps outside of navigating to them via the program, but that sounds like a fun one. Also, it's still be nice to do Doom maps for those of us that like Doom.

Finally, I have no interest in making Dink Smallwood stuff, but I haven't even thought of that game since it came out. Good times!
Level 16 Chipist
post #123543 :: 2020.07.13 3:03am :: edit 2020.07.13 3:18am
  big lumby and kleeder liēkd this
Just logged in to add a great suggestion of one more mappist format. It came when I was reminded by the time about 4-12 years ago I had fun playing with:

file type - .qst

(It was a long time ago I've visited the site so I'm not sure if this is the right one, it has changed some but the background wallpaper is familiar)

Comes bundled with the LoZ PC emulator Zelda Classic. ZQuest.exe is not only a "level-editor", it's capable of making a completely custom game from the ground with texture-editor, map-editor, scripts, etc. (Note that it's formed after LoZ-engine, so it's a bit locked to the RPG-style that it is). Fun fact: files can even be locked with a password LOL
ZC.exe (or could be ZClassic.exe) is the LoZ emulator itself, that has the ability to load the .qst upon creating a new game in the menu ingame.

Oh did I mention that it has the ability to have s3xmodit, nsf, mid, etc. as ingame music? because it can!

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