SPC Echoes 2
 

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79736
Level 21 Mixist
post #79736 :: 2017.03.05 12:15am
  
  shinichi, Jimmyoshi, NerdMcBoon, DalekSam, Dimeback and MiDoRi liēkd this
I AM FULLY ERECT
 
 
79737
Level 22 Chipist
post #79737 :: 2017.03.05 12:21am
  
  shinichi, Jimmyoshi, NerdMcBoon, Savestate, DalekSam and Dimeback liēkd this
fuck yes
 
 
79739
Level 21 Chipist
m9m
post #79739 :: 2017.03.05 12:35am
  
  shinichi, Jimmyoshi, NerdMcBoon, DalekSam and Dimeback liēkd this
HOLY SHIT YES GOOD
 
 
79740
Level 22 Chipist
post #79740 :: 2017.03.05 12:48am
  
  shinichi, Jimmyoshi and NerdMcBoon liēkd this
oh boy oh boy oh boy
 
 
79744
Level 22 Chipist
post #79744 :: 2017.03.05 1:11am
  
  Jimmyoshi and NerdMcBoon liēkd this
me
 
 
79746
Level 26 Chipist
post #79746 :: 2017.03.05 1:15am
  
  shinichi, NerdMcBoon, pigdevil2010, DalekSam and MiDoRi liēkd this
FUCK YES
 
 
79747
Level 19 Chipist
post #79747 :: 2017.03.05 1:41am
  
  DalekSam hæitd this
It's time to do an even more limited mod64k.
 
 
79755
Level 28 Chipist
post #79755 :: 2017.03.05 4:22am
  
  DalekSam and NerdMcBoon liēkd this
Finally !!!
 
 
79756
Level 22 Mixist
post #79756 :: 2017.03.05 4:24am
  
  m9m, puke7, Jimmyoshi, jaemie and ViLXDRYAD liēkd this
MY DICK
 
 
79758
Level 13 Chipist
post #79758 :: 2017.03.05 4:43am :: edit 2017.03.05 4:43am
  
  MiDoRi liēkd this
Maybe my first spc entry?????

FIND OUT IN THE NEXT EPISODE OF BOTTLE OF THE BOBS!!11!!!
 
 
79762
Level 18 Mixist
post #79762 :: 2017.03.05 5:41am
Puke answered my prayers! I'm probably shit at this format, but I can't wait to hear some good new SNES music from all you guys! Awesome!

Thanks a lot, man!
 
 
79763
Level 21 Chipist
m9m
post #79763 :: 2017.03.05 5:48am :: edit 2017.03.05 5:48am
Do all channels need to use echo, or can I omit 1 or 2 channels from using it? I'm asking because I've got some samples that sound like horse shit with the delay enabled lmao
 
 
79767
Level 25 Chipist
post #79767 :: 2017.03.05 8:30am
  
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79768
Level 26 Hostist
post #79768 :: 2017.03.05 8:53am
  
  m9m and Slimeball liēkd this
@m9m -- no you just need to use it some obvious fashion
-- doesn't have to be applied to everything
 
 
79772
Level 20 Chipist
post #79772 :: 2017.03.05 9:31am
Now here's an opportunity I can't pass up! Time to go sample hunting.
 
 
79775
Level 22 Mixist
post #79775 :: 2017.03.05 10:00am
  
  m9m, jaemie and shinichi liēkd this
i just noticed the compo text

do i have to use buggy tracker converters or is amk kosher
 
 
79776
Level 26 Chipist
post #79776 :: 2017.03.05 10:07am
  
  Jimmyoshi, m9m and MiDoRi liēkd this
compotext is dumb and strange, use anything that can echo tbh, including assmusick
 
 
79780
Level 22 Chipist
post #79780 :: 2017.03.05 10:53am :: edit 2017.03.05 10:54am
  
  Slimeball, m9m and MiDoRi liēkd this
WE MUST ECHO ALL THE THINGS
*proceeds to not do that*
 
 
79781
WOO neat! a SPC compo!, let those guitars echo!












































 
 
79825
Level 26 Chipist
post #79825 :: 2017.03.06 5:36am
  
  shinichi and ViLXDRYAD liēkd this
thank you for throwing the snesradio party on my behalf
 
 
79829
Level 13 Chipist
post #79829 :: 2017.03.06 6:45am
  
  MiDoRi liēkd this
I have a brr archive I'm working on, but it's far from done and idk

This was a useless comment, thank you for you attention
 
 
80030
Level 16 Pixelist
post #80030 :: 2017.03.09 5:42pm :: edit 2017.03.09 5:42pm
  
  sc liēkd this
Can someone please explain how on earth I can do this?

"use something like SNESMOD
to do the delay effect or crack the code on SPC reverb or both!!"

That sentence is chinese for me, I miserably fail at understanding what it wants to tell me T.T
 
 
80034
Level 18 Mixist
post #80034 :: 2017.03.09 6:16pm
  
  funute, Galak Sea, sqwerty, b00daw, MiDoRi and sc liēkd this
Galak Sea, the easiest way to create a SPC file (the format needed for this compo), is to use the tracker of your choice, like OpenMPT
, to compose a song in the .it format.
You can only use 8 channels and can't use some of the commands and there are some other limitations, but that's part of the fun.

Next, you should download smconv, which can convert your .it file to a .spc file. The download also contains a txt file with all the necessary information on how to do the conversion, how to use the echo and what limitations there are exactly.

If you are confused by the whole thing, just copy your .it file and the smconv.exe to the root directory of one of your hard drives (for example D:. It's just a little but more convineint this way), open your task manager, go to File -> Run new task and run cmd.exe.
In the command window simply type "D:" to go to your D drive and than type "smconv.exe "Name of your .it file" and it will create the .spc file.
You will need something like SPCPLay
to play it back.

If you want to use the awesome SNES echo, which you should, simply put something like this in the comments of yout .it file (You can do that in OpenMPT):

[[SNESMOD]]
edl 5
efb 85
evol 80
eon 1 3 4

The numbers after "eon" determine which channels use the echo, in this case channles 1, 3 and 4. There is more information on the other settings in the smconv help file.

I hope that wasn't too confusing. Someone else surely will be able to explain it better.

(☞゚∀゚)☞ All n00bz (☞゚∀゚)☞
 
 
80035
Level 22 Chipist
post #80035 :: 2017.03.09 6:23pm
  
  Galak Sea and sc liēkd this
Had a small explanation written out but NerdMcBoon pretty much covered it all!

Also for completeness, if you're super cool/special, you'll know how to program for the SPC700 which itself is an entire (co-)processor. That's what the "crack the code" part is referring to.
 
 
80040
Level 18 Mixist
post #80040 :: 2017.03.09 11:22pm
  
  Galak Sea liēkd this
Also, if you want some classic samples from your favorite SNES games, you can download a whole bunch of SPCs from games here
. I'm sure there are other sites, but that one should get you going.

This
tool will let you convert the SPCs to .it files. The it files are usually a horrible mess, but it's good enough to extract the samples.

Have fun!
 
 
80052
Level 16 Pixelist
post #80052 :: 2017.03.10 4:34am
  
  sc liēkd this
Thanks so much for explaining this to me! I'm very grateful and I'm sure many people will find it useful ^^

Now I'll try to do my best and pull something out, even i my format of choice has always been xm ^^ it's good to learn a bit of everything
 
 
80061
Level 21 Chipist
m9m
post #80061 :: 2017.03.10 7:58am
  
  Jimmyoshi, shinichi, sqwerty and NerdMcBoon liēkd this
thanks for the extension, i'll be using that
 
 
80068
Level 9 Chipist
post #80068 :: 2017.03.10 9:04am
  
  m9m, shinichi and Beard liēkd this
o yeh
 
 
80117
Level 16 Pixelist
post #80117 :: 2017.03.11 8:14am
  
  m9m liēkd this
Producing .it tunes on a mac ain't easy, is it?
I have MPT running on wine but the keyboard is messed up, and schism tracker looks like it's a mess to install
 
 
80118
Level 21 Chipist
m9m
post #80118 :: 2017.03.11 8:17am :: edit 2017.03.11 8:18am
  
  shinichi hæitd this
  
  Jimmyoshi, Galak Sea, MiDoRi, HertzDevil and pedipanol liēkd this
MPT's default keyboard layout is trash, which is probably what you have right now. Try changing it in the settings (setup > keyboard > import keys > choose something with ft2 or w/e).
After you're done with that, everything should be fine. MPT runs exceptionally well under wine.
 
 
80131
Level 16 Pixelist
post #80131 :: 2017.03.11 1:30pm
  
  m9m, Galak Sea, Savestate and pedipanol liēkd this
I'm still impressed that Shinichi finds that chromatic layout intuitive ;D
 
 
80165
Level 16 Pixelist
post #80165 :: 2017.03.12 4:35am
  
  m9m and shinichi liēkd this
I guess it's just a matter of getting used to it ^^
Thanks m9m!
 
 
80202
Level 28 Chipist
post #80202 :: 2017.03.12 4:55pm
  
  Galak Sea and sqwerty liēkd this
The SNES echo is so unique. I love it so much
 
 
80307
Level 9 Chipist
post #80307 :: 2017.03.13 4:00am
  
  Jimmyoshi and Savestate liēkd this
an aside relevant to snes echo itself and production botbr's: I recently discovered this newer attempt at snes echo as a plugin https://impactsoundworks.com/product/snesverb/

probably the best sounding attempt to my ears, at least as a standalone effect, tho still a bit too clean, bland, and 'daw sounding' perhaps. to date the one plugin that got the echo right was the c700, but it's not setup to allow you to apply the echo on anything else but the internal sampler/emulator
 
 
80312
Level 26 Chipist
post #80312 :: 2017.03.13 8:41am
sqwerty: That sounds like a good tool for mocking up SNES entries before conversion! I might give it a try at some point, though for this compo I'm probably gonna stick to C700 (assuming I even enter l o l).
 
 
80314
Level 9 Chipist
post #80314 :: 2017.03.13 9:32am
yea I imagine it'd be a cool thing to try on an allgear or somethin
 
 
80330
Level 22 Mixist
post #80330 :: 2017.03.13 12:11pm :: edit 2017.03.13 12:11pm
  
  RazerBlue6 and m9m liēkd this
it's one of the most unique plugins in my collection, that's for sure, and I love using it a lot

I hooked zircon up with Harumi to help out with Super Audio Cart back when it was still in development, specifically with the SNES related stuff (specs and whatever) so there's that too, although I don't really know the details in what went on I know at least this plugin is based off the effect in the sample library
 
 
80436
Level 21 Chipist
m9m
post #80436 :: 2017.03.14 7:41am :: edit 2017.03.17 7:26am
i prolly won't be able to enter anymore, my fucking headset broke and had to return it, up to 2 weeks without any sound

consider this solved.
 
 
80437
Level 18 Mixist
post #80437 :: 2017.03.14 8:47am
:(

That sucks :(
 
 
81196
Level 26 Hostist
Hey folks, since we have so many SPC entries, but not nearly enough cover art entries, I thought I'd add two weeks to make sure we get at least 80 cover entries and give everyone time to delete their SPC entries because everyone knows that battle art deserves the win and hardware ready chiptunes are for jerks.

Thanks,
--the management
 
 
81197
Level 22 Chipist
post #81197 :: 2017.03.21 11:28pm
some special contacts are in order, methinks
 
 
81200
Level 28 Chipist
post #81200 :: 2017.03.22 12:05am
  
  Jimmyoshi liēkd this
Thinkin about making another song with the extension 0:
 
 
81201
Level 13 Chipist
post #81201 :: 2017.03.22 12:40am
Im busy with a spc entry
 
 
81203
Level 21 Chipist
m9m
post #81203 :: 2017.03.22 5:48am
holy shit thank you, this will be more than enough time to complete my song and finetune it.
 
 
81212
Level 20 Chipist
post #81212 :: 2017.03.22 9:10am
  
  ViLXDRYAD liēkd this
Wow thanks! I haven't started yet, so this is really nice.
 
 
81215
Level 25 Chipist
post #81215 :: 2017.03.22 9:53am
nice i did have one in the works but now i dont have to worry about time so much
 
 
81216
Level 21 Mixist
post #81216 :: 2017.03.22 10:12am
  
  MiDoRi and Savestate liēkd this
Thanks so much for the extension. Next week is my spring break so I'll be sitting at my parents house for 7 days trying to unburn myself out from the past 10 weeks of school and also try to get hella music done for this (unless i fuck up spectacularly while reinstalling windows and linux, knock on wood)
 
 
81217
Level 22 Mixist
post #81217 :: 2017.03.22 10:17am
Double the time double the entries!
 
 
81219
Level 26 Chipist
post #81219 :: 2017.03.22 11:01am :: edit 2017.03.22 11:01am
  
  DalekSam, MiDoRi, Modus Ponens and cyancoloneels liēkd this
Hopefully we get more than just double the amount of currently submitted SPCs...
 
 
81244
Level 22 Chipist
post #81244 :: 2017.03.22 6:25pm
Oh woot, extension -- that means I can switch gears and maybe get a Metal 5 entry in 8)
 
 
81629
Level 13 Chipist
post #81629 :: 2017.03.28 10:35am
  
  Jimmyoshi, ViLXDRYAD, PeachBellini, Beard, KungFuFurby, Savestate and Dimeback liēkd this
C700 can dump .spcs now OwO
 
 
81640
Level 7 Criticist
post #81640 :: 2017.03.28 1:29pm
  
  ViLXDRYAD liēkd this
@RazerBlue6: What does that mean, that I can export .spcs with My DAW?!??! That would be extremely useful :DDD

If so, were can I read about it/get help?

Thanks in advance <3
 
 
81641
Level 22 Chipist
post #81641 :: 2017.03.28 1:37pm
  
  charlotte, Modus Ponens, tothejazz, NerdMcBoon, Savestate and pigdevil2010 liēkd this
double the time, double the cover arts
 
 
81647
Level 25 Chipist
post #81647 :: 2017.03.28 2:43pm
Another sound driver possibly with C700??? ^_^
 
 
81714
Level 13 Chipist
post #81714 :: 2017.03.29 11:36am
Bundled with C700 is a help file, it's in japanese but if you use chrome or something to open it (its a .html file lol) you can translate it to english, it has clear instructions on what to do

if you still want help you can always just send me a message on my profile or something and ill see how I can help more better
 
 
81718
Level 20 Chipist
post #81718 :: 2017.03.29 1:41pm
So that means we (C700 users) no longer need any external converters?
 
 
81720
Level 22 Chipist
post #81720 :: 2017.03.29 1:51pm
  
  Dimeback and Jimmyoshi liēkd this
would depend. every option has their own limitations, depending on your song it may be more practical to use one method over the other. i don't know the exact specifications of c700's export, but at least from what i've heard, there are definitely both advantages and disadvantages to using it over snesmod, particularly dealing with size issues.

of course none of that will ever beat mml but that's beside the point ;)
 
 
81721
Level 25 Chipist
post #81721 :: 2017.03.29 2:39pm :: edit 2017.03.29 2:39pm
  
  shinichi, Jimmyoshi and m9m liēkd this
I looked up the C700 sound driver code myself. It comes in two varieties: one using only the SPC700 sound chip, and one that streams data from the SNES (and thus is undumpable in .spc format). In both cases, it's mostly delays and DSP register writes, with direct writes to RAM also being an option. This means that the SPC700 program is very small in filesize, but it also means that pitch bends and vibratos work about as well as MIDI for filesize efficiency (in MIDI's case, it has a kind of "auto-vibrato" feature, but I'm not counting that): you have to define the tick steps, and then watch your filesize shoot up (then again, I may be overstepping the converter's bounds... but I'm a hacker at heart, and I could just simply create my own custom music without having to pre-record it first). So SNESMod and MML (actually the Super Mario World sound driver AKA AddMusicK) still have the advantage with pitch bends and vibratos... and repetition. That's another big catch: there's no proper "RLE-like" compression here, either (or even sub-routines/patterns for that matter like what AddmusicK/SNESMod have).
 
 
81722
Level 13 Chipist
post #81722 :: 2017.03.29 2:44pm
  
  m9m liēkd this
For what it is now isn't the perfect solution, but it's a native tracker/software thing for it I guess

I think when it doesnt have a realtime dumping but more like an analyzer afterwards after everything has been played and whatnot will help but god knows if that'll happen and when

But I guess having a sorta low tickrate (I know FL can set that, pretty low as well) and slow tempo also help reduce the size, but this is just making assumptions
 
 
82348
Level 21 Chipist
m9m
post #82348 :: 2017.04.10 11:53am
  
  shinichi, Dimeback, RazerBlue6, MiDoRi and Jimmyoshi liēkd this
i probably won't vote. i know many people might scream at me that i'm not doing my part as a botbr and stuff, but trust me, i would if i was feeling in the mood.
after that trainwreck of mml conversion and illness (i'm still not 100% well), i just want to take some time to recover (both psychologically and in terms of school) and also spend time with my friends and family. besides that, i also have to get a few more personal things out of the way, like projects i've put on hold because of this.
i apologize.
 
 
82356
Level 13 Chipist
post #82356 :: 2017.04.10 2:04pm
  
  Galak Sea, MiDoRi and m9m liēkd this
A true BotB'er wouldn't flame at you.

And if a true BotB'er actually does, then fuck that lol
 
 
82357
Level 22 Mixist
post #82357 :: 2017.04.10 2:13pm
  
  m9m liēkd this
someone will bitch anyway
 
 
82369
Level 26 Chipist
post #82369 :: 2017.04.10 7:14pm :: edit 2017.04.10 7:34pm
  
  m9m liēkd this
Considering it's a pretty low entry major I imagine we will get a lot of votes anyway.

No need to apologize lol. I've even skipped out on voting on a lot of majors for less valid reasons (mostly laziness).
 
 
82373
Level 24 Mixist
post #82373 :: 2017.04.10 7:32pm
  
  shinichi, Jimmyoshi, Quirby64, m9m, AugustusBlkheart and RazerBlue6 liēkd this
@m9m: Get well soon! And Party On, Duane.
 
 
82410
Level 26 Chipist
post #82410 :: 2017.04.11 3:38pm
  
  m9m liēkd this
i am disappointed that "wizard" is a voting category but not "wacco"
 
 
82452
Level 14 Chipist
post #82452 :: 2017.04.12 9:07am
  
  Jangler and Xyz hæitd this
  
  m9m liēkd this
I would like to some categories with clear meanings. I've already voted and I don't remember if I interpreted wizard to mean compositional wizard or SPC wizard. Or did I use tight for compositional skills? It is, I suspect the opposite of shambolic. Cosmonaut? A literal one? A metaphorical one? There's already spacey. What does it mean?

I don't think having arbitrary/nonsensical categories hurts anything, but having a few categories with a clear definition would help inform people of why their entry did well or fell short.
 
 
82461
Level 26 Chipist
post #82461 :: 2017.04.12 12:12pm :: edit 2017.04.12 12:14pm
  
  m9m, MiDoRi, Savestate and shinichi liēkd this
voting categories have always been open to interpretation; they are only nonsensical if you decline to interpret them! imo the beauty of this is that as an entrant, you will not be overly penalized for not focusing on a specific aspect of composition that is not applicable to your music; and as a voter, you are free to interpret categories as things that are important to you personally, rather than as more "objective" qualities—in the end, enjoyment of music is subjective, so subjective scoring metrics seem fitting to me.

(i understand that this can be confusing or frustrating at first; many a n00b has inquired or complained about this issue at some point or another)

edit: also you can straight up disagree with my perspective and that is fine too
 
 
82463
Level 13 Chipist
post #82463 :: 2017.04.12 1:52pm
  
  MiDoRi and AugustusBlkheart liēkd this
as long as in some form I can vote how good the feel is in pants it's A OK
 
 
82467
Level 26 Chipist
post #82467 :: 2017.04.12 3:30pm
  
  Galak Sea and johnfn liēkd this
I tend to ignore the voting categories when I vote. I consider the overall score of the entry more important than the individual categories.
 
 
82475
Level 14 Chipist
post #82475 :: 2017.04.12 4:58pm
@Jangler: It's not a big deal to me either way as I could comment, "the poor loop points in this song distract from the outstanding songwriting" or suchlike.

@Jimmyoshi: I tend to consider the overall score as well.
 
 
82497
Level 16 Pixelist
post #82497 :: 2017.04.13 12:00am
  
  Jimmyoshi liēkd this
@Jimmyoshi: exactly, and having several voting categories enables fine voting, such as having theorically overall scores of 4, 4.2, 4.4, 4.6, 4.8, 5, etc...

If you really want to do that ^^'
 
 
82500
Level 22 Chipist
post #82500 :: 2017.04.13 12:09am
  
  Savestate, Jangler, RazerBlue6, AugustusBlkheart and Post-retro liēkd this
i like to use mental images to determine my votes

"spacey" i'm floating in space, is this song playing
"tight" my pants are on too tight, oh man the struggle. is this song representing my feels during this difficult time
"wizard" i'm at hogwarts, is this song playing
"cosmonaut" see this is different from spacey because this implies movement, i am SOARING thru space. is this song playing
"such pants cutlery" i am eating a 3 michelin star meal using only utensils found on or in my pants. this song is playing. how satisfying is this experience
 
 
82604
Level 22 Mixist
post #82604 :: 2017.04.15 10:35pm
  
  shinichi liēkd this
I regret not having an entry for this
 
 
82998
Level 13 Pixelist
post #82998 :: 2017.04.23 1:25pm
  
  shinichi, Jimmyoshi, Xaser, OrdinateIsDead, Jangler, Quirby64, Savestate, pedipanol, puke7, Xyz, Modus Ponens, Galak Sea and ViLXDRYAD liēkd this
wow battle art didn't win this is a miracle
 
 
83011
Level 26 Hostist
post #83011 :: 2017.04.23 3:57pm
  
  shinichi, Savestate and RednGreen liēkd this
 
 
83012
Level 18 Criticist
Xyz
post #83012 :: 2017.04.23 4:21pm :: edit 2017.04.23 4:22pm
  
  KungFuFurby liēkd this
Spacey was good usage of 'verb.

Also, @jangler
wacco, yacco, and dot
 
 
86361
Level 30 chipist
post #86361 :: 2017.06.16 5:10pm
  
  VinCMG, Quirby64 and Savestate liēkd this
snesy 2 now on bancramps GO NOT BUY IT!!!!!!111
 
 

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