Quick answer: Yes.
Detailed answer: You can, though if you or someone else posts a render for your entry (that is, an audio form of the entry; renders must be in MP3, not WAV), it's up to you/them on how you want to handle the loop point. You or someone else has the decision to either cut it off completely at the loop or fade it out after a specified amount of time.
Ironically, these days I'm actually a bit too bored to go after these chips. I have heard so much music on Battle of the Bits over the years that my own nostalgia has been worn down in a similar way that so many SNES games have managed to wear down my video game nostalgia producing so many SPC sets. It's a very sharp contrast to 2012, and it is the major reason why I stopped producing entries regularly. Ironically, I also find trying to up my production values beyond the chip music that I have produced to be a waste of my time in the long run, because I find that the material I end up producing to be too boring (I cite my Renoise-produced songs, which for me have been aging very poorly for some unusual reason... and this happens to be the exact reason why I started, then abandoned, a S3XMODIT entry for Summer Chip VI: I realized I had already gotten bored of the song after producing only two patterns.).
I'm just going to be the one to say it. I'm not a fan of this idea at all. When I first saw that ChannelF was the only format, my initial thought was that it was a joke, and that the rest of the formats would be released the next day. But now I'm disappointed to see that's not the case. I get that you want people to branch out and try some of the more obscure formats, but I think ultimately you're just going to disappoint a bunch of people who already had plans for winter chip. For a lot of people, I think they'll just end up not joining at all instead of wasting their time trying to learn a format they don't care about.
I think that if you're going to make a huge change to the winter chip formula like this, you could have at least announced the change in advance through a forum thread or something. This way, people would know what to expect, and the community could decide beforehand whether or not they actually want this change. Instead, now it feels like you've just thrown a huge curve ball at us. "Oh, you wanted to do a MIDI this year? LOL TOO BAD."
I'm sure this comment will get a bunch of haeits, but I don't care. If the rest of the formats aren't "unlocked" soon, then I'm not too optimistic about the turnout of Winter Chip this year, and I certainly won't be entering if that's the case.
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2016.12.26 1:52pm :: edit 2016.12.26 2:06pm MiDoRi liēkd this Yuki hæitd this
ViLXDRYAD: I'm not even against branching out; it's the lack of choice that I'm more concerned about. I even had a modxk in the works that I planned on submitting this year (something that I've never done before), but now I can't even do that. Out of the current formats, the only one I'm even remotely interested in trying is PC-98. Taking out the element of choice takes out a huge part of the fun imo.
for me personally, I really hope the more popular formats do end up being included, because I use these battles as an opportunity to learn and practice these formats, and to show off what I've done. I feel like I've come further in nsf and midi than in the last summer chip, and it would be a shame to not be able to share these with everyone!
Honestly, i couldn't agree more with Jimmyoshi, since i've been counting on Wildchip, or Amigamod/S3XMODIT, at least, and i don't think i have much interest in any of currently available chips (Channel F? Really?). I might try AY, if nothing better comes up eventually, provided i manage to overcome reluctance to learn it.
BTW, aside of my complaining, i can see the puke's point in making it like it is though. Anyway, still hoping for more
I hear much doubt from some botbrs about their fellow botbrs. This makes me sad. It only takes one entry in a format to unlock the next one. In the time all this typing has transpired someone could have done a mario paint already. I'm planning on announcing many formats and I'll do my best to keep one of the unlockables on the lesser side of obscuria.
Here's a personal rant and I expect a lot of hæit/people disagreeing, but whatever:
I don't have a lot of free time on my hands even though I have a (short) winter break and I really was looking forward to a new big chip major that isn't limited to x or requires me to do y. Like I said I'm still rather busy and when not a lot of people are going to do entries in here to unlock other formats, the format(s) where I was looking forward to make something for again isn't going to be present at this pace.
I know that your intentions of having a little twist to a 'traditional' formula is nice, no personal hate against you, but if I were to be doing something I liked doing that has its purpose why I did it crushed and doing formats that don't (really) interest me, that's something rather disappointing to experience then. So just get rid of it or something idk
And I (hopefully) aren't speaking for myself, but for others as well.
I came here to say pretty much the exact same thing that RazerBlue6 said. I would love to participate in WCXII but I am very busy with work and travel and unfortunately I don't have the time to invest in learning a lot of new formats.
As much fun as that sounds, I think the practical reality is that there are a lot of people like me who are busy with life stuff, and this style of compo will turn people like that away.
"It only takes one entry in a format to unlock the next one."
I have a feeling all this is going to do is encourage rushed low-effort entries in each of the currently available categories. I don't know about the rest of you, but it usually takes me about 1-2 weeks minimum to finish an entry for a major that I'm satisfied with. I guess ChannelF and Mario Paint are exceptions to this (I could probably do Mario Paint in less than a day), but a decent PC-98 can easily take several weeks to do, especially since it's mml-based. (More experienced PMD users could probably do it quicker, but given that the point of this seems to be to learn the new formats...)
It's a cool idea, but in my opinion something this experimental shouldn't be used on a huge battle like Winter Chip. Maybe it could work for a smaller side major or something.
As a comprimise (and because Stewboy upped a mariopaint) I have added two more formats : zx beeper and nsf. There are now 3 slots to unlock new formats! HOLY COW!!! :D/
Think of it like an advent thingamajig. There were plenty of Winter Chips of chipsmas past that didn't start until late January. Run away; flee in terror if you must! But, friends & botbrs, patience is a virtue. <3
Well, for those upset about the lack of formats, I have only been tracking for a month (my first deflemask module is dated 11/25/16), and I managed to learn Vortex Tracker II Improved today and just uploaded my first module as an Atari ST SNDH file. I spent a little bit of time last night looking at the manual and a few of the demo modules, but it only took a few hours today to learn and compose a semi-decent sounding track!
So, if you need an easy format to pick up, I can vouch for VTII Improved! It's pretty straight forward, so give it a shot. What can it hurt? I believe in yooo!
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1) atonality is covered by the article 2) dissonance is covered by the article
this probably doesn't belong here but 3) dissonance is not really totally exactly covered by the article because dissonance is often defined as a unstable sonority that implies resolution to a stable, consonant one, and not simply as notes that "clash". an understanding of dissonance in this way is important in functional harmony
inb4 another lame anime avatar starts a comment with inb4 smh irl
if you think pc98 is blocking on the lame wildchip format then you should beat up on moviesmoviesss1111 until they join the anime avatar cult tho i advise you leave the fingers, eyes and ears intact so that the pc98 has a higher chance of getting an entry
4 formats w/o an entry :(
how do i add moar entry format?!!? i can't!! WAIAIIIAAIIA
man, I wish I wasn't lazy and finished writing 3kr and ported it to pc-98 like I wanted to
but then I'd run into the horrible awful wall of finding pc-98 programming docs again
I'm tempted to do some kind of xm2mml thing (or something with an basic-to-parse format, maybe mod2mml because unpacked patterns and whatever, I'm lazy) to make any weird formats with only a compiler easy to use, would be less effort than finishing 3kr...
...but what will actually end up happening if I did that is that I'll have two unfinished projects instead of one unfinished one and one finished one).
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2017.01.03 4:05am :: edit 2017.01.03 4:11am Dezolis liēkd this
@null1024 Well, if you want to use a converter, I'd recommend you use this one since it's PMD-compatible. But since it won't convert anything aside from notes and some information like panning and instruments changes, you gotta do the rest by yourself (setting up the instruments, the header, etc.). I made a conversion of my VIC20 entry for testing purposes.
(edit: fuck, I think I misunderstood it, but well, this info is useful for the lazy people that don't want to learn MML so I'll leave it here)
was initially excited that you came on to spread something that i think a lot of us feel about winter chip. the derisive jabs toward indirect persons do not exactly paint a beautiful artist in good colors.
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2017.01.14 11:54am :: edit 2017.01.14 12:00pm b00daw and puke7 liēkd this
The D110 appears to exhibit the same limitations as the MT-32 (32 partial voices, 8 channels + 1 rhythm, etc.), so if you have that, I'd say go for it :o
HOWEVER, the MIDI you create for the D110 must at least be playable on Munt as well without any significant differences, but if the D110 is basically a pro version of the MT-32, then I assume it won't be that different.
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2017.01.15 6:15am :: edit 2017.01.15 6:18am
Only if your MIDI authoring software doesn't support them. I'm sure there exist tools to splice them in so you don't have to do it by hand. The other quirk is that Roland SYSEX messages require a checksum calculation.
The only player I've found that plays MT-32 patchbank midis correctly is Windows Media Player.
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2017.01.16 5:09pm :: edit 2017.01.16 5:18pm
Afaik TFM export 2xYM2203 VGMs with no SSG support, doesn't it? I don't think that's possible to run on a PCx8... But you could try using S98 Player to see if it works out. Just keep in mind the VGM must be under 128kb. If it does work, submit the generated .d88 file c:
I might be a no-show, even for the SNES format. I'm still producing music, but I have mostly abandoned the SNESMod sound driver (except for prototyping), and I'm instead distracted with producing another soundtrack for a new sound driver developed by someone else (it's not SNESGSS: it's a brand new sound driver in development).
Hi, I have a question: if I have a track made on a Gameboy that I haven't submitted to anything else- but IS on an album I released a little over two years ago- can I still submit it to this Winter Chip? Also, are there rules about after effects ? There is some simple EQ, compression, and reverb on the track as it stands right now, but I can get a raw version if that's necessary/preferred. Thank you! -DG
a raw version would be necessary. As far as wanting to submit it although it's been submitted elsewhere, if it hasn't been submitted in any other BOTB Comp in the past I think it should be fine?? Admin plz clarify if need be. ^.^
Excellent! Also, it has never been submitted in any contests or compilations anywhere- simply released as part of my own album on Bandcamp. If that isn't ok I understand, but the whole album is winter chiptune themed so I thought it would be appropriate. -DG
It stays pretty unclear to me after this incident, where according to what puke said such entries aren't allowed, but on the other hand Azura cited the official rules, and that's where such statement is pretty much nonexistant...
I dunno, there's something missing in this year's edition. I mean there are a lot of great tunes and all, but where are Warlord's blazing arpfests? Where's Chip Champ's wonky chiphorror and adlib ebm? Where's DalekSam's VGM metal? Where's Raph? 9999HP? What the hell happened??? I am disappoint.
ye i see why it would get tiresome, would you prefer interlingual puns instead? because honestly sharks will greet you like "hai" and will serve you some delicious pain! maybe with some soup, but that may be a mitsake. personally i want mein bratwurst mit bier instead.
on a srs note tho an extension would be cool, i'll maybe make another pc98 if an extension happens
Ohh wow, thanks MiDori, I actually didn't know that! I hunted for the last few entires like crazy.
I think this Winter Chip was/is pretty awesome. I like the concept of having to unlock formats, and it all wasn't as dramatic as it first seemed, was it?
There are a lot of very cool entries this time (well there always are).
As per usual, I didn't get anything ready, but I really hope to do so for the next major.
Thanks for all the cool music and the fun surrounding it!
You can't vote on your collab entry/entries,but doesn't put it into account like your own entries. Which is why I'm at 99.5-something percent. Also it may be counting it as two entries, I don't think one entry would be .5-something% so maybe its counting it as two separate things (both me and dajoshy??) idk also wall of text, sorry lol
@,@ holy shit thank you everybody for the love/support! I did not expect this but I am super stoked. I must have gotten pretty lucky because the competition was gnarly AF. I feel like gold in all categories could have gone to almost anyone, with so much talent being thrown around like it's nothing! Anyway, awesome work on all your tracks fam. Time to get my leather jacket and denim vest on for this Metal competition nau!!! XD