fakebit should be merged back into wildchip
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Level 26 Chipist
post #124371 :: 2020.08.02 9:46am :: edit 2020.08.02 9:49am
  Lincent, ordinate and Xyz liēkd this
  kleeder hæitd this
it was an overly granular distinction that doesn't really work in practice because there's no way to distinguish the two formats just by listening, and people continue submitting entries to wildchip that aren't using (emulated) chips. (sorry for posting this twice, i forgot n00b soz doesn't show up on front page)
Level 28 Hostist
post #124376 :: 2020.08.02 10:34am
  Quirby64, insertkey, Jakerson, damifortune, xterm, Tilde and tennisers liēkd this
Level 26 Chipist
post #124379 :: 2020.08.02 10:49am :: edit 2020.08.02 10:57am
  Baron Knoxburry liēkd this
now that i thought about it a bit more, i think fakebit category is good, as long as the distinction between wildchip and fakebit is wildchip is for "very chiptuney" entries, and fakebit is for "at least a bit chiptuney" entries, rather than distinguishing based on whether something is made for real hardware, because otherwise there'll be inconsistent voting for entries submitted to wildchip that don't use real hardware, and vice versa.
Level 23 Chipist
post #124541 :: 2020.08.04 4:54am
  Savestate and YQN liēkd this
i just can't see how that definition would cause LESS confusion and inconsistent voting than the current one
Level 21 Mixist
post #124573 :: 2020.08.04 10:35am
  kfaraday and maJsty14 liēkd this
what we need is a group of elite chip people (who are widely respected and given deference in all decisions, kind of like a priestly class) who can be fully trusted to interpret the infallible lyceum and guard the flock... sorry i mean the botbrs against heresy and judge whether an entry is worthy or whether it should be shunned

i am certain that this solution would finally put the issue to rest and that it will not cause further revolt and schism in the future
Level 23 Chipist
post #124577 :: 2020.08.04 11:15am
  KungFuFurby liēkd this
we're a µrepublic, not a µcollective
Level 26 Chipist
post #124617 :: 2020.08.04 5:18pm :: edit 2020.08.04 5:18pm
  RazerBlue6 liēkd this
the way i see it, saying "if it does not use REAL (emulated) HARDWARE then it is ILLEGAL" creates a binary, where some people are going to use vsts that sound like genesis or 2a03 for wildchip, and some people might vote 1 on them for that reason, while others wouldn't. if it's purely based on the aesthetic, then even though it becomes more subjective, there's less of an arbitrary sharp divide.
Level 23 Chipist
post #124621 :: 2020.08.04 5:32pm :: edit 2020.08.04 5:33pm
  tennisers liēkd this
I don't know how relevant my personal experience is, BUT I'll say this: I've noticed that for all the "allgear-esque" formats, people generally don't care about the particulars of how it was made. I've personally never been grilled about it, and I've played really loose with the idea of what those even are (as satirized in Unreal). So rather than how it sounds, I think the functional difference between wild chip, allgear and fakebit is how the producer chooses their process. I think of it more like a prompt than a prescriptive rule about what you're allowed to use.
Level 28 Chipist
post #124626 :: 2020.08.04 6:24pm
  RazerBlue6, Xyz, Post-retro and Tilde liēkd this
Personally, I don't entirely like the split because it doesn't really solve a problem, and it just adds a bit of confusion.
Level 30 Chipist
post #124627 :: 2020.08.04 7:10pm :: edit 2020.08.05 9:31am
  xterm, mk7, meanings, Quirby64, Post-retro, null1024 and Tilde liēkd this
imo a meaningless complicated debate over what a “real chiptune is” is itself an important part of chiptune history, and should be enshrined and respected
Level 14 Mixist
post #124628 :: 2020.08.04 7:10pm
  Quirby64, Post-retro and Tilde liēkd this
here's my two cents as someone who only joined here very recently:

- I make my music in FL Studio so I see 'fakebit' and immediately think "this is something I can make", but 'wildchip' on the other hand feels like something I could not in good conscience submit for, since nothing about what I'm making is made to be played back on real soundchips/hardware, even if I'm using samples from them, so to me, the distinction is valuable, given the current rules for each

- however, it sounds like the real problem is that 'wildchip' is by its nature very vague, and indistinguishable to the ear from 'fakebit' due to allowing for added processing/effects chains unable to be replicated on soundchips, which can ultimately sound just like using game samples only

- so while I think there should be a category (besides allgear) that allows for "chip sounding but not 'authentic' (i.e. made specifically for a soundchip)", the possibility exists of merging the two but with a different distinction/ruleset. it is perhaps strange to have the "inbetween" of wildchip given the new presence of fakebit, but of course, it is by far the older, more established format...

- no matter what though I think it's valuable to have a category for chip type music that isn't meant for actual soundchips, you allow in a whole new group of composers and producers this way, myself included (obviously this is of some personal importance to me--it's part of why I joined!). imo allgear doesn't really count since you *could* but do not *have to* make chippy music for that at all.
Level 23 Chipist
post #124629 :: 2020.08.04 7:28pm
who'd be ok with merging wild chip and fakebit, and adding a "chiptune" format
Level 27 OHCist
post #124631 :: 2020.08.04 8:16pm
  meanings, damifortune and Quirby64 liēkd this
i like having more than one category where the main restriction is the prompt instead of the software

wildchip prompts can easily include some rules like "should be a hardware-compatible chiptune", or "use 8 channels" otherwise it's fakebit, which is fine
Level 22 Mixist
post #124635 :: 2020.08.04 9:55pm
  xterm, Tilde, Lia and kfaraday liēkd this
yikes that strawpoll is basically 50/50

i was once yelled at for doing chiptune shoegaze hybrid in the wildchip category. so if u delete fakebit u have to promise never to yell at me again for anything. and also give me 222,222,22$
Level 23 Mixist
post #124636 :: 2020.08.04 10:17pm
  tennisers and kfaraday liēkd this
  xterm hæitd this

At first I thought that it was funny how the ratio of supporters / objectors precisely matches the winning chance of a coinflip, when the change that's being polled - after the change was already implemented - was practically decided with a coinflip.

Then I started feeling disgusted by the great amount of division. What happened to all the conversation? Where did the consensus go? The fact that people still cannot collectively agree as to which side to pick, which idea to stand behind, is a sign of a greater cultural problem that needs to be fixed in order to move forward from here.

Thus I declare: BotB at this point needs either a cultural revolution or extreme dictatorship. I'm in the favour of extreme dictatorship. When conversations and pollings go nowhere the only logical follow-up is discard democracy as a whole and take total control of the situation. Those in power are to choose as they will, silently execute any party that opposes and only then will we reach a complete unanimity.

Level 26 Chipist
post #124637 :: 2020.08.04 10:50pm
  mk7 and Lia liēkd this
don't give up on the concept of democracy 49 vs 51 is more like a fair fight. maybe a wildchip vs. fakebit compo O:?
Level 7 Chipist
post #124653 :: 2020.08.05 4:09am
Level 8 Criticist
post #124658 :: 2020.08.05 5:40am
unless real hardware is made mandatory in wildchip i don't think there will ever be a clear distinction between the two.
Level 23 Chipist
post #124678 :: 2020.08.05 9:14am
  kfaraday liēkd this
guys my idea was awesome.....
Level 28 Hostist
post #124738 :: 2020.08.05 7:05pm
  kleeder and Lia liēkd this
I put fakebit in the xhb format blocklist. I don't plan on using it again in the future right now either. I thought this would be a fun joke format, but its just an annoyance at this point.

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