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89768
I just wanted to give a heads up!

read here
Right now I'm working on a tourney simulator. I have the swiss robin round figured out, but I need to refactor what I have into a class (or classes) before moving forward. And, of course, I need to create Pit Fight functionality too.

I should have the Sign Up sheet up in the next few days. It will be open about two weeks or until my code is ready to handle this crazy mess.

Toodles!
(runs off to friend's place to watch GoT)
 
 
89770
Level 27 Chipist
post #89770 :: 2017.08.27 6:51pm
i love this
 
 
89771
Level 22 Chipist
post #89771 :: 2017.08.27 7:06pm
  
  anewuser liēkd this
get ready for many fsound pit fights

I cant wait

but I can, though

also this is cool nice
 
 
89772
Level 18 Criticist
Xyz
post #89772 :: 2017.08.27 7:40pm
  
  sleeparrow liēkd this
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
 
 
89780
Level 28 Chipist
post #89780 :: 2017.08.27 9:12pm
  
  brainfoam and sleeparrow liēkd this
Oh my god !!!
 
 
89781
Level 22 Renderist
post #89781 :: 2017.08.27 10:45pm
  
  Baron Knoxburry and sleeparrow liēkd this
I like when he says 'to handle this mess'
ahhhhh, the duct tape days :)))))))))))))))))))))
 
 
89782
Level 9 Chipist
post #89782 :: 2017.08.27 10:50pm
  
  Jangler, chinanewyr, sleeparrow and tennisers liēkd this
time to get.. big knife
 
 
89786
Level 25 Chipist
post #89786 :: 2017.08.28 12:45am :: edit 2017.08.28 3:26am
  
  tfx, sleeparrow and Modus Ponens liēkd this
im ready to get schooled in *almost every format imaginable
 
 
89787
Level 14 Mixist
post #89787 :: 2017.08.28 1:02am
YES YES YES!
 
 
89789
Level 12 Mixist
post #89789 :: 2017.08.28 1:56am :: edit 2017.08.28 1:59am
  
  MisaelK and Cessor Safari liēkd this
Love the idea! This is legitimately the coolest thing.

I'm curious why the seeding is ranked first by wins over ranked first by sum of scores? e.g. What if you were put up against 4 really strong composers, and lost 4 times but with very strong songs - is that fair compared to someone who was put up against 4 noobs and won easily with average songs? I get that score averages might be tilted slightly by how good/bad your opponent is, but I don't think the difference would be *that* much... (or would it?)

It feels to me that sorting by sum of scores would be the fairest way, plus maybe some sort of bonus for every win. But I have no doubt that you have probably considered this and have good rationale, so I'm interested to hear it =)

(Also, isn't 4 songs a lot just to get seeded? I mean in sexmodit mania, you only write 5 total songs, and isn't everyone exhausted by the end? =P)
 
 
89791
Level 28 Chipist
post #89791 :: 2017.08.28 2:29am
  
  Jangler, Xyz and Melon liēkd this
It's a tournament, win/loss is nearly always the primary judgement factor for rank
 
 
89793
Level 28 Chipist
post #89793 :: 2017.08.28 6:06am
  
  Jangler and Xyz liēkd this
Otherwise, with sum of scores, you're not competing against your opponent, rather the whole of all players (which makes the tournament format like any other major)
 
 
89794
Level 29 Chipist
post #89794 :: 2017.08.28 6:24am :: edit 2017.08.28 6:30am
  
  DBOYD and raphaelgoulart liēkd this
WOOOO LETS GO BABY YEAH
 
 
89797
Level 22 Pedagogist
post #89797 :: 2017.08.28 6:38am
  
  Doxic, tfx and MiDoRi liēkd this
I rent healer services for avocados
 
 
89799
Level 26 Renderist
post #89799 :: 2017.08.28 7:32am
  
  ViLXDRYAD and Savestate liēkd this
pit fights are no longer an unused feature :)
 
 
89800
Level 22 Pedagogist
post #89800 :: 2017.08.28 7:49am :: edit 2017.08.28 9:49am
  
  tennisers liēkd this
  
  Cessor Safari hæitd this
shame i am too nice to fight
 
 
89804
Level 14 Chipist
post #89804 :: 2017.08.28 11:12am
  
  sleeparrow and Savestate liēkd this
are u back from GoT
 
 
89806
Level 15 Chipist
post #89806 :: 2017.08.28 11:29am
My body is ready
 
 
89807
Level 21 Chipist
post #89807 :: 2017.08.28 12:28pm
  
  tennisers and RazerBlue6 liēkd this
Finally zebra x doxic and kfaraday x Charlotte
 
 
89808
Level 12 Mixist
post #89808 :: 2017.08.28 12:45pm :: edit 2017.08.28 12:45pm
Savestate, I was talking about the first 4 compos which just get you a seed, not the whole torunament. For those compos it seems to me that you should indeed be competing against all players, since all players get a seed and seeds are essentially a ranking of all players, no?
 
 
89811
Level 26 Hostist
post #89811 :: 2017.08.28 1:31pm
  
  ViLXDRYAD and goluigi liēkd this
  
  Jangler hæitd this
So if 30+ sign up for the tournament you want to do 30+ pit fights?

WOW
 
 
89814
Level 22 Mixist
post #89814 :: 2017.08.28 2:17pm
eeeeeeeeee
 
 
89815
Level 28 Chipist
post #89815 :: 2017.08.28 3:04pm
  
  kfaraday, puke7, johnfn and Post-retro liēkd this
  
  RazerBlue6 hæitd this
these are not casual 4 person free-for-alls johnfn, these are 1v1 blood-sweat-and-tear fights to the death. i would know, i play melee competitively
 
 
89822
Level 30 chipist
post #89822 :: 2017.08.28 4:41pm
will we have default sample pax for the various module size formats? it sounds like a pain to do, but if one combatant had a sample pack handy while another didn't, they would have a huge advantage.
 
 
89824
Level 12 Mixist
post #89824 :: 2017.08.28 5:54pm :: edit 2017.08.28 5:58pm
> So if 30+ sign up for the tournament you want to do 30+ pit fights?

Errr, if you consider Summer Chip VII a 166 person pit fight, than sure! =P

Also savestate if you plan on literally murdering your 4 opponents than that seems like an acceptable compromise

**ANYWAY**, all I'm suggesting is ranking by something like sum of averages + 5 * wins to calculate your seed only, which would seem to balance out the whole "i got matched against the 4 best musicians" vs "i got matched against the 4 worst musicians" thing. It's just a thought I had.
 
 
89826
Level 22 Pedagogist
post #89826 :: 2017.08.28 6:37pm
  
  johnfn and Savestate liēkd this
  
  Cessor Safari hæitd this
yea! i guess me participating would be like farming slimes on a rpg for most good musicians o n botb
 
 
89830
Level 12 Mixist
post #89830 :: 2017.08.28 9:15pm
i would be the training dummy

rip
 
 
89831
Level 18 Criticist
Xyz
post #89831 :: 2017.08.28 9:29pm
BotB Slime alt account as pitfight cannon fodder when?
 
 
89832
Level 15 Pedagogist
post #89832 :: 2017.08.28 9:59pm
I volunteer myself as a BotB Slime
 
 
89838
Level 30 chipist
post #89838 :: 2017.08.29 4:55am
slime optional boss general blobular
 
 
89847
Level 22 Chipist
post #89847 :: 2017.08.29 10:58am
  
  Jangler, gotoandplay, A-zu-ra, tfx, Savestate, MiDoRi, VinCMG, Modus Ponens, b00daw, pedipanol and Melon liēkd this
"If there is no common Format between BotBrs for a Pit Fight then the Format defaults to `allgear`. "

It seems you misspelled "channelf" there.
 
 
89850
Level 30 chipist
post #89850 :: 2017.08.29 12:13pm
i'm assuming losers from the sky bracket go to hades? because it doesn't really make sense to have 2 brackets if it's single elimination
 
 
89851
Level 26 Hostist
post #89851 :: 2017.08.29 12:25pm
  
  ViLXDRYAD and Savestate liēkd this
Losers from the first swiss robin round go to the hades pool and face another swiss robin round. Once in either bracket, a single loss means elimination from the tournament. Once both brackets are going they will be the same size each round.
 
 
89866
Level 24 Mixist
post #89866 :: 2017.08.29 3:30pm
  
  goluigi, johnfn, Savestate and Jangler liēkd this
 
 
89884
Level 26 Hostist
post #89884 :: 2017.08.30 12:17am
  
  johnfn, Savestate and Jangler liēkd this
YES
 
 
89885
Level 0 n00b
post #89885 :: 2017.08.30 1:23am
  
  goluigi, TMM12, ViLXDRYAD, Dimeback, FamicomForever, tfx, raphaelgoulart and Melon liēkd this
  
  Sinc-X and MiDoRi hæitd this
アイホン8ケース ブランド シャネル iphone7sケース アイホン7sケース iphone7カバー CHANEL 夏 リボン 知的さ 金色
http://icase8.com/products/iphone8/chanel-case-225.html
 
 
89918
Level 21 Mixist
post #89918 :: 2017.08.30 9:40pm
  
  ViLXDRYAD, A-zu-ra, m9m, MiDoRi, Savestate, Jangler, RazerBlue6, TMM12, raphaelgoulart, pigdevil2010, pedipanol and Melon liēkd this
CHANEL 夏 リボン 知的さ 金色 is the name of my new vaporwave album
 
 
89921
Level 28 Chipist
post #89921 :: 2017.08.31 5:18am
Lol this bracket is so unconventional, I like it
 
 
89922
Level 27 Chipist
post #89922 :: 2017.08.31 6:06am
so given azura's example, you'd have to write 8-12 entries to be winrar

a test of endurance as well as skillz
 
 
89927
Level 26 Hostist
I think iphone8icase hit the nail on the head by calling this Tournament "Summer ribbon intellectual gold color"
 
 
89928
Level 26 Hostist
post #89928 :: 2017.08.31 8:13am
  
  Sinc-X, Savestate, ViLXDRYAD, Jangler and Chip Champion liēkd this
...and I still think limiting the swiss robin rounds to 2 or 4 hour entries will help with that endurance issue. Maybe 2 hours for the first one and 4 hours for the n00b Hades one? WAR IS HELL!
 
 
89929
Level 26 Chipist
post #89929 :: 2017.08.31 8:16am :: edit 2017.08.31 8:17am
wait im dumb nevermind, yea that sounds good
 
 
89930
Level 27 Chipist
post #89930 :: 2017.08.31 9:55am
  
  tfx, Sinc-X, ViLXDRYAD, Savestate, Modus Ponens, VinCMG, raphaelgoulart, pigdevil2010 and Melon liēkd this
yeah i was thinking hades was a fitting name for it since you have to do a second round robin

voting categories: summer, ribbon, intellectual, gold, color
 
 
89935
Level 28 Chipist
post #89935 :: 2017.08.31 1:20pm
  
  Sinc-X and VinCMG liēkd this
Oh my god please
 
 
90095
Level 26 Hostist
post #90095 :: 2017.09.05 2:16am
  
  RazerBlue6, kfaraday, b00daw, MiDoRi, A-zu-ra, Sinc-X, Savestate and Jimmyoshi liēkd this
HEY I HAVENT FORGOTTEN SO SHUT YER PITHY HOLES!!!

CHECK THESE LINKS OUT WOWOWOW
http://battleofthebits.org/arena/TourneySim/17
http://battleofthebits.org/arena/TourneySim/38
http://battleofthebits.org/arena/TourneySim/69

All the scores/botbrs are random -- THATS THE FLOW (i think)

This is just a prototype -- there's still a BUTTLOAD LEFT
 
 
90099
Level 26 Chipist
post #90099 :: 2017.09.05 7:18am :: edit 2017.09.05 8:15am
  
  Jimmyoshi liēkd this
damn i was rooting for egg
(wow im dumb)
 
 
90101
Level 26 Hostist
post #90101 :: 2017.09.05 8:02am
  
  Sinc-X, Jangler and Savestate liēkd this
just hit refresh until you see egg win
 
 
90103
Level 26 Chipist
post #90103 :: 2017.09.05 8:14am
  
  Savestate and RazerBlue6 liēkd this
OH i only clicked each once and assumed they were static outputs. this makes much more sense
 
 
90104
Level 26 Hostist
post #90104 :: 2017.09.05 10:00am
  
  Sinc-X liēkd this
you can also change the number at the end of the URL to your heart's desire; things don't seem to work very well with a number under 8; and it maxes out at 127
 
 
90106
Level 24 Mixist
post #90106 :: 2017.09.05 10:13am
(keeps refreshing)
who are all these people
 
 
90108
Level 26 Hostist
post #90108 :: 2017.09.05 11:46am
  
  Sinc-X liēkd this
it's loading BotBrs at random with level 7 or higher
 
 
90110
Level 28 Chipist
post #90110 :: 2017.09.05 1:55pm
  
  Sinc-X and Cessor Safari liēkd this
sample format grand finals hype
 
 
90113
Level 30 chipist
post #90113 :: 2017.09.05 3:49pm :: edit 2017.09.06 9:01am
  
  Sinc-X, johnfn and VinCMG liēkd this
computer! set random scores within 5 points of each botbrs average score and run simulation!
 
 
90118
Level 22 Pedagogist
post #90118 :: 2017.09.05 8:22pm
  
  MiDoRi, Savestate and pigdevil2010 liēkd this
oh boy can't wait! though i may most likely be out in the first battle lol
 
 
90177
Level 26 Hostist
post #90177 :: 2017.09.07 4:07pm
  
  Sinc-X, Savestate, ViLXDRYAD, MiDoRi, Zillah and Xaser liēkd this
So there are a couple new concerns that came up in conversation or mind... bitpacks and forfeits

The simulator should account for forfeits; maybe a 5% chance for anyone to forfeit in any pitfight.

Bitpacks could be 'borrowed' from previous OHBs though I don't believe each format has bitpacks in this regard. Crazy music theory bitpacks might not be ideal (or maybe they are!). Really I think only the `remix` format needs a bitpack for sure.

Also, there has been some talk about replacing the 2nd round Swiss Robin event in the n00bs Hades bracket with a couple XHBs.

Basically, things are still in flux. I'll be trying to get a foundation going for a complete refactor of the battle engine this weekend.
 
 
90296
Level 28 Chipist
post #90296 :: 2017.09.10 9:30am
  
  kfaraday, Zillah, brainfoam and gotoandplay liēkd this
I keep thinking about how cool this is
 
 
90331
Level 23 Chipist
post #90331 :: 2017.09.10 6:07pm
  
  tfx and brainfoam liēkd this
Oh damn! Time to put my big boy Dragon Ball pants on.
 
 
90595
Level 26 Hostist
post #90595 :: 2017.09.18 4:19pm
  
  Razerek, ViLXDRYAD, VinCMG, MandraSigma, Dimeback, Zillah, Sinc-X, A-zu-ra, Savestate, Cessor Safari, tfx, raphaelgoulart, goluigi and Xaser liēkd this
Hey, I just wanted to let folks know I spent a bunch of time on Saturday working towards this goal. I completely gutted the battle class and have been rebuilding it from scratch, pulling in what I deem reusable from the old code. There's still a lot of finer points to get caught up, but making OHBs run on the same battle class will most likely be next. This, and the new period classes, should make for greater flexibility in the battle engine moving forward. No more parallel development for different battle types! :u
 
 
91268
Level 29 Chipist
post #91268 :: 2017.10.14 7:54am
  
  Xaser hæitd this
bump
 
 

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