Tournaments are a thing!
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I just wanted to give a heads up!

read here
Right now I'm working on a tourney simulator. I have the swiss robin round figured out, but I need to refactor what I have into a class (or classes) before moving forward. And, of course, I need to create Pit Fight functionality too.

I should have the Sign Up sheet up in the next few days. It will be open about two weeks or until my code is ready to handle this crazy mess.

(runs off to friend's place to watch GoT)
Level 27 Chipist
post #89770 :: 2017.08.27 6:51pm
i love this
Level 23 Chipist
post #89771 :: 2017.08.27 7:06pm
  anewuser liēkd this
get ready for many fsound pit fights

I cant wait

but I can, though

also this is cool nice
Level 18 Criticist
post #89772 :: 2017.08.27 7:40pm
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Level 28 Chipist
post #89780 :: 2017.08.27 9:12pm
  sleeparrow and brainfoam liēkd this
Oh my god !!!
Level 22 Renderist
post #89781 :: 2017.08.27 10:45pm
  sleeparrow and Baron Knoxburry liēkd this
I like when he says 'to handle this mess'
ahhhhh, the duct tape days :)))))))))))))))))))))
Level 10 Chipist
post #89782 :: 2017.08.27 10:50pm
  tennisers, sleeparrow, chinanewyr and Jangler liēkd this
time to get.. big knife
Level 26 Chipist
post #89786 :: 2017.08.28 12:45am :: edit 2017.08.28 3:26am
  Modus Ponens, sleeparrow and tfx liēkd this
im ready to get schooled in *almost every format imaginable
Level 16 Mixist
post #89787 :: 2017.08.28 1:02am
Level 13 Mixist
post #89789 :: 2017.08.28 1:56am :: edit 2017.08.28 1:59am
  Cessor Safari and MisaelK liēkd this
Love the idea! This is legitimately the coolest thing.

I'm curious why the seeding is ranked first by wins over ranked first by sum of scores? e.g. What if you were put up against 4 really strong composers, and lost 4 times but with very strong songs - is that fair compared to someone who was put up against 4 noobs and won easily with average songs? I get that score averages might be tilted slightly by how good/bad your opponent is, but I don't think the difference would be *that* much... (or would it?)

It feels to me that sorting by sum of scores would be the fairest way, plus maybe some sort of bonus for every win. But I have no doubt that you have probably considered this and have good rationale, so I'm interested to hear it =)

(Also, isn't 4 songs a lot just to get seeded? I mean in sexmodit mania, you only write 5 total songs, and isn't everyone exhausted by the end? =P)
Level 28 Chipist
post #89791 :: 2017.08.28 2:29am
  Melon, Xyz and Jangler liēkd this
It's a tournament, win/loss is nearly always the primary judgement factor for rank
Level 28 Chipist
post #89793 :: 2017.08.28 6:06am
  Xyz and Jangler liēkd this
Otherwise, with sum of scores, you're not competing against your opponent, rather the whole of all players (which makes the tournament format like any other major)
Level 29 Chipist
post #89794 :: 2017.08.28 6:24am :: edit 2017.08.28 6:30am
  raphaelgoulart and DBOYD liēkd this
Level 22 Pedagogist
post #89797 :: 2017.08.28 6:38am
  MiDoRi, tfx and Doxic liēkd this
I rent healer services for avocados
Level 26 Renderist
post #89799 :: 2017.08.28 7:32am
  Savestate and ViLXDRYAD liēkd this
pit fights are no longer an unused feature :)
Level 22 Pedagogist
post #89800 :: 2017.08.28 7:49am :: edit 2017.08.28 9:49am
  Cessor Safari hæitd this
  tennisers liēkd this
shame i am too nice to fight
Level 18 Chipist
post #89804 :: 2017.08.28 11:12am
  Savestate and sleeparrow liēkd this
are u back from GoT
Level 18 Chipist
post #89806 :: 2017.08.28 11:29am
My body is ready
Level 21 Chipist
post #89807 :: 2017.08.28 12:28pm
  RazerBlue6 and tennisers liēkd this
Finally zebra x doxic and kfaraday x Charlotte
Level 13 Mixist
post #89808 :: 2017.08.28 12:45pm :: edit 2017.08.28 12:45pm
Savestate, I was talking about the first 4 compos which just get you a seed, not the whole torunament. For those compos it seems to me that you should indeed be competing against all players, since all players get a seed and seeds are essentially a ranking of all players, no?
Level 27 Hostist
post #89811 :: 2017.08.28 1:31pm
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  goluigi and ViLXDRYAD liēkd this
So if 30+ sign up for the tournament you want to do 30+ pit fights?

Level 22 Mixist
post #89814 :: 2017.08.28 2:17pm
Level 28 Chipist
post #89815 :: 2017.08.28 3:04pm
  Post-retro, johnfn, puke7 and kfaraday liēkd this
  RazerBlue6 hæitd this
these are not casual 4 person free-for-alls johnfn, these are 1v1 blood-sweat-and-tear fights to the death. i would know, i play melee competitively
Level 30 chipist
post #89822 :: 2017.08.28 4:41pm
will we have default sample pax for the various module size formats? it sounds like a pain to do, but if one combatant had a sample pack handy while another didn't, they would have a huge advantage.
Level 13 Mixist
post #89824 :: 2017.08.28 5:54pm :: edit 2017.08.28 5:58pm
> So if 30+ sign up for the tournament you want to do 30+ pit fights?

Errr, if you consider Summer Chip VII a 166 person pit fight, than sure! =P

Also savestate if you plan on literally murdering your 4 opponents than that seems like an acceptable compromise

**ANYWAY**, all I'm suggesting is ranking by something like sum of averages + 5 * wins to calculate your seed only, which would seem to balance out the whole "i got matched against the 4 best musicians" vs "i got matched against the 4 worst musicians" thing. It's just a thought I had.
Level 22 Pedagogist
post #89826 :: 2017.08.28 6:37pm
  Cessor Safari hæitd this
  Savestate and johnfn liēkd this
yea! i guess me participating would be like farming slimes on a rpg for most good musicians o n botb
Level 13 Mixist
post #89830 :: 2017.08.28 9:15pm
i would be the training dummy

Level 18 Criticist
post #89831 :: 2017.08.28 9:29pm
BotB Slime alt account as pitfight cannon fodder when?
Level 15 Pedagogist
post #89832 :: 2017.08.28 9:59pm
I volunteer myself as a BotB Slime
Level 30 chipist
post #89838 :: 2017.08.29 4:55am
slime optional boss general blobular
Level 22 Chipist
post #89847 :: 2017.08.29 10:58am
  raphaelgoulart, Melon, pedipanol, b00daw, Modus Ponens, VinCMG, MiDoRi, Savestate, tfx, A-zu-ra, gotoandplay and Jangler liēkd this
"If there is no common Format between BotBrs for a Pit Fight then the Format defaults to `allgear`. "

It seems you misspelled "channelf" there.
Level 30 chipist
post #89850 :: 2017.08.29 12:13pm
i'm assuming losers from the sky bracket go to hades? because it doesn't really make sense to have 2 brackets if it's single elimination
Level 27 Hostist
post #89851 :: 2017.08.29 12:25pm
  Savestate and ViLXDRYAD liēkd this
Losers from the first swiss robin round go to the hades pool and face another swiss robin round. Once in either bracket, a single loss means elimination from the tournament. Once both brackets are going they will be the same size each round.
Level 25 Mixist
post #89866 :: 2017.08.29 3:30pm
  Jangler, Savestate, johnfn and goluigi liēkd this
Level 27 Hostist
post #89884 :: 2017.08.30 12:17am
  Jangler, Savestate and johnfn liēkd this
Level 0 n00b
post #89885 :: 2017.08.30 1:23am
  JINTAKE, Melon, raphaelgoulart, tfx, FamicomForever, Dimeback, ViLXDRYAD, TMM12 and goluigi liēkd this
  MiDoRi and Sinc-X hæitd this
アイホン8ケース ブランド シャネル iphone7sケース アイホン7sケース iphone7カバー CHANEL 夏 リボン 知的さ 金色
Level 21 Mixist
post #89918 :: 2017.08.30 9:40pm
  JINTAKE, Melon, pedipanol, pigdevil2010, raphaelgoulart, TMM12, RazerBlue6, Jangler, Savestate, MiDoRi, m9m, A-zu-ra and ViLXDRYAD liēkd this
CHANEL 夏 リボン 知的さ 金色 is the name of my new vaporwave album
Level 28 Chipist
post #89921 :: 2017.08.31 5:18am
Lol this bracket is so unconventional, I like it
Level 27 Chipist
post #89922 :: 2017.08.31 6:06am
so given azura's example, you'd have to write 8-12 entries to be winrar

a test of endurance as well as skillz
Level 27 Hostist
I think iphone8icase hit the nail on the head by calling this Tournament "Summer ribbon intellectual gold color"
Level 27 Hostist
post #89928 :: 2017.08.31 8:13am
  Chip Champion, Jangler, ViLXDRYAD, Savestate and Sinc-X liēkd this
...and I still think limiting the swiss robin rounds to 2 or 4 hour entries will help with that endurance issue. Maybe 2 hours for the first one and 4 hours for the n00b Hades one? WAR IS HELL!
Level 27 Chipist
post #89929 :: 2017.08.31 8:16am :: edit 2017.08.31 8:17am
wait im dumb nevermind, yea that sounds good
Level 27 Chipist
post #89930 :: 2017.08.31 9:55am
  Melon, pigdevil2010, raphaelgoulart, VinCMG, Modus Ponens, Savestate, ViLXDRYAD, Sinc-X and tfx liēkd this
yeah i was thinking hades was a fitting name for it since you have to do a second round robin

voting categories: summer, ribbon, intellectual, gold, color
Level 28 Chipist
post #89935 :: 2017.08.31 1:20pm
  VinCMG and Sinc-X liēkd this
Oh my god please
Level 27 Hostist
post #90095 :: 2017.09.05 2:16am
  Jimmyoshi, Savestate, Sinc-X, A-zu-ra, MiDoRi, b00daw, kfaraday and RazerBlue6 liēkd this


All the scores/botbrs are random -- THATS THE FLOW (i think)

This is just a prototype -- there's still a BUTTLOAD LEFT
Level 27 Chipist
post #90099 :: 2017.09.05 7:18am :: edit 2017.09.05 8:15am
  Jimmyoshi liēkd this
damn i was rooting for egg
(wow im dumb)
Level 27 Hostist
post #90101 :: 2017.09.05 8:02am
  Savestate, Jangler and Sinc-X liēkd this
just hit refresh until you see egg win
Level 27 Chipist
post #90103 :: 2017.09.05 8:14am
  RazerBlue6 and Savestate liēkd this
OH i only clicked each once and assumed they were static outputs. this makes much more sense
Level 27 Hostist
post #90104 :: 2017.09.05 10:00am
  Sinc-X liēkd this
you can also change the number at the end of the URL to your heart's desire; things don't seem to work very well with a number under 8; and it maxes out at 127
Level 25 Mixist
post #90106 :: 2017.09.05 10:13am
(keeps refreshing)
who are all these people
Level 27 Hostist
post #90108 :: 2017.09.05 11:46am
  Sinc-X liēkd this
it's loading BotBrs at random with level 7 or higher
Level 28 Chipist
post #90110 :: 2017.09.05 1:55pm
  Cessor Safari and Sinc-X liēkd this
sample format grand finals hype
Level 30 chipist
post #90113 :: 2017.09.05 3:49pm :: edit 2017.09.06 9:01am
  VinCMG, johnfn and Sinc-X liēkd this
computer! set random scores within 5 points of each botbrs average score and run simulation!
Level 22 Pedagogist
post #90118 :: 2017.09.05 8:22pm
  pigdevil2010, Savestate and MiDoRi liēkd this
oh boy can't wait! though i may most likely be out in the first battle lol
Level 27 Hostist
post #90177 :: 2017.09.07 4:07pm
  Xaser, Zillah, MiDoRi, ViLXDRYAD, Savestate and Sinc-X liēkd this
So there are a couple new concerns that came up in conversation or mind... bitpacks and forfeits

The simulator should account for forfeits; maybe a 5% chance for anyone to forfeit in any pitfight.

Bitpacks could be 'borrowed' from previous OHBs though I don't believe each format has bitpacks in this regard. Crazy music theory bitpacks might not be ideal (or maybe they are!). Really I think only the `remix` format needs a bitpack for sure.

Also, there has been some talk about replacing the 2nd round Swiss Robin event in the n00bs Hades bracket with a couple XHBs.

Basically, things are still in flux. I'll be trying to get a foundation going for a complete refactor of the battle engine this weekend.
Level 28 Chipist
post #90296 :: 2017.09.10 9:30am
  gotoandplay, brainfoam, Zillah and kfaraday liēkd this
I keep thinking about how cool this is
Level 23 Chipist
post #90331 :: 2017.09.10 6:07pm
  brainfoam and tfx liēkd this
Oh damn! Time to put my big boy Dragon Ball pants on.
Level 27 Hostist
post #90595 :: 2017.09.18 4:19pm
  Xaser, goluigi, raphaelgoulart, tfx, Cessor Safari, Savestate, A-zu-ra, Sinc-X, Zillah, Dimeback, MandraSigma, VinCMG, ViLXDRYAD and Razerek liēkd this
Hey, I just wanted to let folks know I spent a bunch of time on Saturday working towards this goal. I completely gutted the battle class and have been rebuilding it from scratch, pulling in what I deem reusable from the old code. There's still a lot of finer points to get caught up, but making OHBs run on the same battle class will most likely be next. This, and the new period classes, should make for greater flexibility in the battle engine moving forward. No more parallel development for different battle types! :u
Level 29 Chipist
post #91268 :: 2017.10.14 7:54am
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Level 27 Hostist
post #92445 :: 2017.11.24 11:30pm
  Cessor Safari, VinCMG, Minerscale, raphaelgoulart, MiDoRi, ViLXDRYAD, MS, RazerBlue6 and Sinc-X liēkd this
I totally fell behind on this. I've been quiet about it. I didn't want to admit defeat even when I was obviously past a date that would leave enough time for it to run before Winter Chip. I've got a branch going with the refactor. It's a grind right now refactoring the major engine and the ohb engine into one (templates included). Didn't help that I recently got totally distracted by taking a synth electronics workshop/course/class. The DroneButt™ is almost fully functional! BotB WILL have a tournament, but it won't be in the now that is 2017. And now I'm gonna get back to work on my VIC20 tracker.
Level 25 Mixist
post #92457 :: 2017.11.25 9:49am
  raphaelgoulart liēkd this
can i use this vic20 tracker when you're done with it :o

i need a good excuse to make some not-so-technologically-groundbreaking music
Level 26 Chipist
post #93532 :: 2017.12.23 1:20pm
¯ v¯ nag-bump~
Level 26 Chipist
post #93533 :: 2017.12.23 1:21pm
no pressure, just wondering if itd b worth starting an "unofficial" one (read: official) myself in the interim, using the site in a manual capacity. then mb it can b integrated into the site proper for future ones~?

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