OHB disable late penalties with b500
BotB Academy Bulletins
Whilst BotB is on the verge of virtual economic collapse I thought I'd come up with a quick way to pull some boons back into the system. This is my first project done with my (finally put together) local development environment. Which means I could code and test before deployment on the live server! Holy shit! No noobs flipping out in the chats about FECES errors!!!

If the OHB host pays the
500 then no late penalties will be applied to final scores. BotBrs still get their latist points tho.
Level 22 Chipist
post #80825 :: 2017.03.17 8:18pm
Level 27 Mixist
post #80827 :: 2017.03.17 8:24pm :: edit 2017.03.17 8:25pm
  MiDoRi, Chip Champion, NerdMcBoon and sleeparrow liēkd this
good idea, but make it so individual entrants can pay not to have penalties on their own entries imo.

I'd use that ^-^

e: actually wait no. that might be unfair to those who don't have a lot of boons. idk.

This is a good idea though
Level 14 Pixelist
post #80828 :: 2017.03.17 8:31pm
  ViLXDRYAD, puke7, TMM12, MiDoRi, NerdMcBoon, Gauched, sleeparrow and sc liēkd this
I'm gonna miss when the system went super wonky while puke worked on site updates :c
Level 28 Chipist
post #80829 :: 2017.03.17 8:33pm :: edit 2017.03.17 8:34pm
  MiDoRi, Flaminglog and sleeparrow liēkd this
  Slimeball hæitd this
actually i think it might be better for entrants themselves to pay to make their entries not lose points, rather than the host paying for the whole compo (either a flat rate of 500 or w/e or maybe for each minute late it's a 200 boon deficit? idk)

it'd be a waste if everyone was on time....also this is botb so people shouldn't have to pay for other people's mistakes......
Level 28 Chipist
post #80830 :: 2017.03.17 8:44pm
  MiDoRi liēkd this
this gives the host 2 much power imo, they could change the outcome of the ohb with hashtag dollars b00ns

maybe, making it a percentage of your b00ns to reduce yr late penalty, and capping after b500?? hmm maybe not cause then u could transfer them to an alt and then pay a tiny amt then transfer them back.

mmm maybe the host can pay a nonrefundable b500 before hand to disable late penalties, i imagine people would Not submit on time then .... maybe pay nonrefundable b00ns for extended ohb times ?? 100 per extra minute or something, (arbitrary number)
Level 14 Pixelist
post #80831 :: 2017.03.17 8:44pm
  Jimmyoshi, TMM12, goluigi, MiDoRi, chinanewyr, sleeparrow and stepfilter liēkd this
I wanna pay 6000 boons so I can submit 30 minutes late

I second golgi's/jimmyoshi's idea. It's okay for botbrs to participate more in order to be able to make use of the benefit. If you want it easier, make more tunes and earn more boons, n00b.
Level 28 Chipist
post #80832 :: 2017.03.17 8:45pm :: edit 2017.03.17 8:45pm
6750 boons for a two hour compo lmao ok maybe not 100
Level 28 Chipist
post #80833 :: 2017.03.17 8:48pm :: edit 2017.03.17 8:49pm
  gotoandplay and NerdMcBoon liēkd this
paying a non refundable 5000 (plus the additional normal 750) for non admins to host a battle of any format ??? allow multiple n00bz to put b00ns into a collective fund that auto starts the ohb when the fund size (arbitrary 5000) is reached
Level 26 Hostist
post #80837 :: 2017.03.17 8:55pm
  shinichi, MiDoRi, NerdMcBoon and mootbooxle liēkd this
500 is non refundable and must be paid during the beghasting period. At present, there is no visual indicator that it has been done either. :/

I'm open to these other ideas too. I think paying boons to remove your personal late penalties should be waaaay more.
Level 26 Hostist
post #80842 :: 2017.03.17 9:12pm :: edit 2017.03.17 9:13pm
  shinichi, TMM12, gotoandplay, MiDoRi, NerdMcBoon, OrdinateIsDead, Flaminglog, sleeparrow, sc and tothejazz liēkd this
and, yes, 3 n00bs posting
250 each to host a locked format OHB has been on my mind for a while

but that should be refunded, right? or not?
Level 22 Chipist
post #80846 :: 2017.03.17 9:17pm :: edit 2017.03.17 9:19pm
  gotoandplay and MiDoRi liēkd this
imo have a small additional nonrefundable fee for the "privilege" of special formats (so liek an additional 50 b00ns each? maybe?) and then refund the 250 that would make up the normal hosting deposit

i think its good 2 make cool weird formats more accessible, encourages n00bs to try new things (and maybe get some experience to prepare for Big Battles with those formats !!)
Level 28 Chipist
post #80847 :: 2017.03.17 9:17pm
not refunded imo, but im an admin so my opinion shouldnt be weighted v much
Level 28 Chipist
post #80851 :: 2017.03.17 9:48pm :: edit 2017.03.17 9:49pm
  OrdinateIsDead and chinanewyr liēkd this
  Slimeball hæitd this
6000 boons is definitely reasonable for submitting an hour late.......

if i'm gonna submit a song an hour late, that means my song is worth waiting a whole extra hour, it's worth that 6000 boons

most compos have ended 30 minutes prior to that.....

there should be a different means of hosting xhb's rather than this imo
Level 26 Hostist
post #80853 :: 2017.03.17 10:14pm :: edit 2017.03.17 10:37pm
  goluigi, NerdMcBoon, mootbooxle and sc liēkd this
max lateness for any battle is 30 minutes
you're just denied at that point
could reduce that number to 10 tho
Level 19 Mixist
post #80855 :: 2017.03.17 10:40pm
  MiDoRi and sc liēkd this
I don't know about this one. This could quickly lead to one hour battles that aren't really one hour battles anymore. The whole "let's see what a bunch of different people can do under the same conditions!" idea could get lost.

Yes, there should be more ways to spend boons, but I don't know if this is one of them.
Level 26 Chipist
post #80861 :: 2017.03.18 3:06am :: edit 2017.03.18 3:10am
+1 for the locked battle formats paying non-refunded boons to host them

got a lot of boons (with nothing to do but sit pretty) and a lot of formats to host :)

imagine also if you had a donate 10 boons = 1 socialist point back function
Level 21 Chipist
post #80863 :: 2017.03.18 3:10am
  MiDoRi and Lia liēkd this
i'm in full support with savestate, but i'd drastically reduce the amount of b00ns required for just a minute to 12.5b.

the way this could work is, instead of ohb's being restricted to one hour, they have a configurable amount of time you can set (an 1h one would still be 750b, while a 2h would be 1500b).

i'm also fond of sincx's idea where botbrs pay up a sum of non-refundable b00ns to host a "special format", but i don't know how well would that work.
Level 26 Renderist
post #80866 :: 2017.03.18 4:11am
  shinichi, MiDoRi and Lia liēkd this
  m9m, Jimmyoshi, Slimeball, meanings and andres hæitd this
I've donated all my b00ns to BotB. Until then let's just take everybody's hidden alts and just dump all unused b00ns into it. I think the paying b00ns for no late points is silly.

b00ns can can go for the following things (without things really being added):

- if an ailment is given to you, you pay 750 b00ns. if you don't have that money, you're in negative and owe money to BotB as you make it.
- editing posts costs 50 b00ns.
- bumping costs 100 b00ns.
- tax: all BotBrs on the site pay 50 b00ns a month in tax. if they have 0, they are not taxed.
Level 18 Pixelist
post #80870 :: 2017.03.18 5:20am :: edit 2017.03.18 5:36am
  Jimmyoshi and NerdMcBoon liēkd this
Sounds pretty reasonable to me, maybe except the post edit fee, it'd be pretty expensive for botbrs who tend to redact their posts alot
<------------ (this n00b included)

Edit: i edited this one already...xD
Edit #2: My proposition is to make it 1boon or less, if at all

Also, this might be a silly question, but why wasn't ditching the current BotB economy system to make the boons pool unlimited even considered by anyone? (I'm not saying it's a better system, and i actually like the current one, since it's more realistic and interesting, just pointing out that no one mentioned it)

Edit #3: Fixed a typo. BotB would've surely benefited from me, if this edit payment got introduced xDD
Level 22 Pedagogist
post #80872 :: 2017.03.18 6:31am
  MiDoRi, failure_supreme, Jimmyoshi, NerdMcBoon, mootbooxle, Gauched, Dimeback, chinanewyr, Xaser, pedipanol and sleeparrow liēkd this
  tothejazz, goluigi and Lia hæitd this
how about to pay b00ns to unfavorite my music? ;-;

ps: is the warez selling man bringing avocados?
Level 18 Pixelist
post #80873 :: 2017.03.18 6:34am
  ViLXDRYAD, NerdMcBoon and sleeparrow liēkd this
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Level 12 Mixist
post #80875 :: 2017.03.18 6:46am
  ViLXDRYAD, NerdMcBoon and sleeparrow liēkd this
  goluigi hæitd this
holy shit ViLXDRYAD with the million boons idea.
Level 27 Chipist
post #80878 :: 2017.03.18 8:42am
  MiDoRi, ViLXDRYAD, NerdMcBoon, Savestate, Slimeball, sleeparrow and goluigi liēkd this
-1 for monetizing post edits; editing posts benefits everyone when done benignly.

you could implement pooled boons to host a locked battle format, but i doubt many people will do it since they can usually just ask an admin or someone with the badge instead.
Level 19 Mixist
post #80884 :: 2017.03.18 9:45am
  ViLXDRYAD, MiDoRi, Jimmyoshi, Savestate, Quirby64, mootbooxle and sleeparrow liēkd this
The idea to pay
to remove favorites is brilliant. I'd really like to clean up my favorites some day.

The ability to somehow host ohbs without a badge sounds like a nice idea! At the moment there are almost only allgear and remix battles with some sexmods in between. The problem isn't that people don't want other battles, but that people don't have the badges, and as long as there are no battles, they can't earn the badges. It's an endless circle of doom.
It should be expensive to host ohbs without a badge, though. Trying to get the badges is a big part of the fun, in my opinion.

Also, regarding the more flexible battles: I'd certainly like such a feature, but the simplicity of ohbs is part of their awesomeness, in my opinion.

At the moment it usually goes like this:

Person A: Anyone wanna OHB? Allgear maybe?
Person B: Sure!
Person C: Yeah, that would be cool!
Shinichi: Big dongs!
Person A: Cool, let me quickly think of a theme and I'll get this going.

With a more flexible system, this simplicity could get lost, but it would certainly be worth trying.
Maybe the abilty to host something like 7 day battles would be a good compromise.

Just throwing stuff out there. I realize these things aren't exactly easily implemented and it would take a lot of time to do so.

Thanks for putting so much work into all this stuff, Puke!
Level 28 Chipist
post #80894 :: 2017.03.18 11:35am
  NerdMcBoon, MiDoRi, Quirby64, shinichi, VinCMG, BubblegumOctopus, Slimeball and sleeparrow liēkd this
Even though you can ask an admin to host a locked format, pooling boons would likely cause more thoughtful participation, since you're investing your botb income into it. Plus Admins aren't always available!
Level 29 Mixist
post #80900 :: 2017.03.18 12:29pm
  BubblegumOctopus, Quirby64, shinichi, NerdMcBoon, Slimeball, jaemie, chinanewyr, sleeparrow and sc liēkd this
There have been many times I'd like to host a battle in some odd format that I barely have any badge progress toward...It would be great to be able to pay a (non-refundable) amount to host it. It could encourage more format diversity by allowing botbrs more opportunities to make badge progress in less-popular formats. As it is, we tend to have to wait for big majors to submit the more esoteric formats.

Also of course I'm in favor of paying extra to remove late penalties lol
Level 27 Chipist
post #80914 :: 2017.03.18 1:03pm
  MiDoRi, mootbooxle and Doxic liēkd this
  Jimmyoshi and goluigi hæitd this
pay for bonus voter strength
Level 20 Chipist
post #80916 :: 2017.03.18 1:06pm
  MiDoRi, Quirby64, shinichi, NerdMcBoon, mootbooxle, meanings, Modus Ponens, sleeparrow and Lia liēkd this
I don't mind a tax at all, but it'd be nice if was an income ratio thing.
Ideas that I really love that have been stated here though:

• Big Boon cost to host battle in format without a badge (best idea!!)

• Big Boon cost to host a battle longer than one hour but not longer than a few days or something (I guess that requires making a whole new category between OHB and Major)

• Givin' the merchant somethin' to sell me.
Maybe that could be where a one time use hosting privilege for other formats or longer battles could live, with a tiered pricing system. I don't know if I'd rather see the weird stuff as expensive or the bigger, more competitive formats as expensive, but dang, if there was an MT-32 battle every so often that would be awesome.

I guess the merchant being part of the solution is contingent on whether or not he puts his Boons in the bank. He seems like he might be an off-the-grid type...

As always, I'm super impressed by and grateful for how much you put into this crazy thing, puke. THANKS FOR HUMORING ME
(if you read this, otherwise just "thanks")
Level 27 Mixist
post #80926 :: 2017.03.18 2:15pm :: edit 2017.03.18 2:18pm
puke7: Keep the max lateness at 30 minutes, but maybe lower it for battles that have no late penalties. 15 minutes might be good...and after that either deny more entries or have anything after 15 minutes give you a late penalty regardless of whether or not b500 was spent.

e: Oh also! The late penalty would be relative to the extra 15 minutes instead of how it would be normally. So if you're 20 minutes late in this scenario you'd only get a 5 point penalty instead of 20 points.
Level 9 Chipist
post #80928 :: 2017.03.18 2:20pm :: edit 2017.03.18 2:20pm
  MiDoRi, mootbooxle, sc and tothejazz liēkd this
I like b00daw's first idea because it seems right to assume that a ton of boons are collectively just sitting there in unused or abandoned accounts. why not confiscate boons to some degree when an account is inactive past a certain amount of time, say a year or something?

all these other ideas being discussed are interesting, but I think just clearing out abandoned accounts of their boons would be the most effective measure with the least amount of work involved.
Level 20 Mixist
post #80940 :: 2017.03.18 3:19pm
  Slimeball, failure_supreme, Jangler, mootbooxle, sleeparrow and sc liēkd this
i dont like the stealing boons from inactive accounts thing. but this is also slightly personal to me bcus i left my old account dormant for like 5 years before i made this acc and gave myself all my boons back. i even took a yr break on this acc. i wouldn't wanna lose one of my senses of progress just bcus i need time away. -- that idea is dangerous and could incentivize making lazy entries just to keep your account "active".
Level 26 Renderist
post #80942 :: 2017.03.18 3:40pm
  mootbooxle, sleeparrow and sc liēkd this
No taxation without representation!!!
Level 27 Mixist
post #80946 :: 2017.03.18 3:58pm
  Slimeball, Savestate and DalekSam hæitd this
  MiDoRi liēkd this
Instead of taking the boons of an inactive account all at once, maybe you could just take a small amount (like 10 boons) from each inactive account every day until they log in again.
Level 14 Pixelist
post #80947 :: 2017.03.18 4:02pm
  Jimmyoshi and meanings liēkd this
  Slimeball and failure_supreme hæitd this
Steal all the boons from dead accounts but also implement a system so those boons are refunded in case the account goes active again.

porblem sloved
Level 21 Chipist
post #80951 :: 2017.03.18 4:28pm
  Slimeball, MiDoRi, Savestate, Modus Ponens, ViLXDRYAD, mootbooxle, pedipanol, sleeparrow, sc and goluigi liēkd this
Steal boons from Strobe, he's Inactive and can easily win them back. Problem Sloved!
Level 22 Chipist
post #80961 :: 2017.03.18 5:33pm
  MiDoRi, Jimmyoshi, NerdMcBoon, Jangler, puke7, VinCMG and sleeparrow liēkd this
b00n payment for latist removal confirmed to work successfully
Level 28 Chipist
post #80962 :: 2017.03.18 5:46pm
  Jimmyoshi hæitd this
  Jangler liēkd this
Maybe it costs boons to submit late and that is the only change. Late pentality stays.

Amount would be based on income over the past year or something
Level 29 Mixist
post #80963 :: 2017.03.18 5:55pm
  Slimeball, Doxic and MiDoRi liēkd this
Austerity measures? What are we, Greece?
Level 22 Chipist
post #80968 :: 2017.03.18 7:03pm :: edit 2017.03.18 7:03pm
  VinCMG, meanings, mootbooxle, Savestate, Flaminglog, Jangler, NerdMcBoon, MiDoRi, DalekSam, jaemie, BubblegumOctopus, sleeparrow, cce, goluigi and Lia liēkd this
how about you owe b00ns if u enter an ohc but dont perform ur civil duty of voting

: )))
Level 22 Chipist
post #81010 :: 2017.03.19 8:07am
  meanings, BubblegumOctopus, sleeparrow, sc and Lia liēkd this
two hour battles for thrice the price
Level 27 Chipist
post #81012 :: 2017.03.19 9:30am
  Blaze Weednix, meanings, Savestate and sleeparrow liēkd this
i oppose anything that costs boons proportional to your income or wealth. wealth ain't mean nothin' if you pay for things in percentages
Level 20 Playa
post #81102 :: 2017.03.20 5:27pm
  shinichi, Jangler, Blaze Weednix, NerdMcBoon, Savestate, MiDoRi and pedipanol liēkd this
just thought of this - another thing the site could charge boons for could be titlecore entries (that is, entries with titles longer than the character limit)

the costs could be slightly exponential per additional character, so really long titles will be impractical (or just keep a hard limit that is ~2x the current one, or something like that)

a botbr could be warned if they exceed the limit on submitting, something like "your current title will cost X boons to keep, otherwise it will be truncated to blah blah blah"
Level 19 Mixist
post #81105 :: 2017.03.20 5:59pm
  shinichi, mootbooxle, pedipanol, sleeparrow and xterm liēkd this
That's a good idea. We could make millions from golgi's entries alone.
Level 18 Pixelist
post #81111 :: 2017.03.20 9:31pm
  shinichi and xterm liēkd this
I'm seconding this, it's a great idea
Level 13 Mixist
post #81117 :: 2017.03.20 10:24pm
  Doxic, shinichi, mootbooxle, Savestate, NerdMcBoon, pedipanol, MiDoRi, Jangler, sleeparrow, VinCMG, xterm and goluigi liēkd this
Food b200
Data b150
Rent b800
Entry Titles b3,600
Utility b150
someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this. my family is dying

"spend less on titles"

Level 24 Mixist
post #81118 :: 2017.03.20 10:25pm
  Beard, shinichi, mootbooxle, Savestate, NerdMcBoon, pedipanol, MiDoRi, Jangler, sleeparrow, VinCMG, xterm, Jimmyoshi, tothejazz and goluigi liēkd this
When I read the "disable late penalties" proposal in the OP, my brain assigned it the moniker of "Let Mootbooxle Win Mode".
Level 29 Mixist
post #81122 :: 2017.03.21 12:52am
  Savestate, pedipanol, Doxic and sleeparrow liēkd this
hahahahaha Xaser!!
Level 18 Mixist
post #81139 :: 2017.03.21 9:21am
  BubblegumOctopus and meanings liēkd this
> two hour battles for thrice the price

or charge double and keep a slice


i'm dyin for 2HBs puke you gotta help me man
Level 22 Pedagogist
post #81142 :: 2017.03.21 10:08am
  mootbooxle liēkd this
or 2 format hour battles so people can finally decide which 0CC-Famitracker or Deflemask nsf are better
Level 25 Mixist
post #81143 :: 2017.03.21 10:11am :: edit 2017.03.23 9:55am
WoW puke7 great idea! OHB disable late penalties with b500 wonderful feature! Excellent new feature for saved late penalties we can use and have!
Level 18 Pixelist
post #81148 :: 2017.03.21 11:01am :: edit 2017.03.21 11:03am
  Jimmyoshi, Dimeback and Lia liēkd this
Imo 1, max. 2 years of inactivity should be enough to consider the account abandoned, and begin (slowly!) transfering boonz back to the bank from them. And in case the owner happens to relog again, the process of charging their boons would be stopped, and inactivity timer would be reset.
Level 24 Mixist
post #81189 :: 2017.03.21 9:11pm :: edit 2017.03.21 9:12pm
  Jimmyoshi, MiDoRi, xterm and pedipanol liēkd this
|д゚)… i will pay boons to get rid of all of my latist points

and return my aura back to neutral
actually can i pay boons to freeze my aura for a set amount of time
Level 26 Hostist
post #81195 :: 2017.03.21 11:07pm
  NerdMcBoon, MiDoRi, ViLXDRYAD, RazerBlue6, tothejazz, Doxic, mootbooxle, goluigi and OrdinateIsDead liēkd this
"this feature isn't fair"
"a flat tax isn't fair"
"here's over 4 billion % ideas for you to synthesize"
"the sky is the limit so implement all of them"
Level 24 Mixist
post #81204 :: 2017.03.22 6:20am
|°)っ [ construct manifesto ]
Level 24 Mixist
post #81248 :: 2017.03.22 7:50pm
  Doxic, tothejazz, mootbooxle, Yukari, MiDoRi, puke7 and goluigi liēkd this
@puke7: trial-run all of these ideas for the upcoming fairlight 2 compo.

Call it "unfairlight".

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